Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas info!

[Imran Siddiqui]

There was a popular game called 'Deer Hunter' a few years back. I'd imagine most people who played that actually hunted deer. So saying you play games to do things you don't do in real life is not entirely accurate.

[Nostromo]

I also think its a bad idea. Maybe they'll figure that out and cut it out of the game. I certainly hope I won't have to eat three square meals a day.

[Imran Siddiqui]

A long, long time ago, you had to eat in almost every RPG: if you didn't eat, you died. Zoom to 2004: you don't have to eat anymore. Why? It's a pain in the ass and it's simply not fun. Why include an RPG element that was weeded out of every RPG?

And, on the contrary, in almost every RPG you had day/night cycles and had to sleep at night because everyone else was asleep. They got rid of that in modern RPGs (except Baldur's Gate, which was based on D&D). However, more and more people have argued for day/night cycles and having no one open except inns at night and RPG designers are putting that back in.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
There was a popular game called 'Deer Hunter' a few years back. I'd imagine most people who played that actually hunted deer. So saying you play games to do things you don't do in real life is not entirely accurate.

That would be a great counterexample, but alas, I don't think you can hunt deer 365 days a year (at least you can't where I'm from).

How much do you want to bet most of the Deer Hunter sales are in the offseason.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
However, more and more people have argued for day/night cycles and having no one open except inns at night and RPG designers are putting that back in.

And who may that be?

I like to think that there is such a thing as progress in gameplay. Having to eat was a pain in the ass, it wasn't fun and it was tedious. Taking it out of RPGs was a very, very good decision imo. And you can't put it back in as it was: that would be a regress. If Rockstar takes a VERY different approach, it could work. But if they take the old school RPG approach, it will suck. Imagine having to stop at a restaurant once or three times a day to have meal! It will be tedious, it will not be fun and it will be a royal pain in the ass.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And who may that be?

I'll direct you to Interplay forums, Morrowind forums, etc. Why do you think Fable makes a big deal that they are in the game?

I like to think that there is such a thing as progress in gameplay.

But there isn't. A lot of the older games had complexities that modern games just don't have. Compare text adventures with their newer, graphic counterparts.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I'll direct you to Interplay forums, Morrowind forums, etc. Why do you think Fable makes a big deal that they are in the game?

So, you're saying that in the next Morrowind, I will have to go to sleep each night? If I want to buy something, I'll have to do it during the day? I certainly hope not. Imagine all the idle time! I'm perfectly happy with the way they're handling night/day cycles in BG and Morrowind! It enhances the gameplay. More importantly: they're not sacrificing gameplay for the sake of realism.

But there isn't. A lot of the older games had complexities that modern games just don't have. Compare text adventures with their newer, graphic counterparts.

You're saying that there are no progresses whatsoever, that we can't improve gameplay ideas, that we haven't improved them? Come on! (BTW, I'm not claiming that there are no regresses.) Do you seriously miss having to eat in RPGs? Most people would agree that taking this out was a good idea.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Sn00py
yes yes, but when is it coming out for PC? That's the real question!!!!!!!!!!

/me signs up for wanting to know this also




And GTA 2 was good

[Lemmy]

Aiming, everything? We're obviously not talking about the same game. Driving is also a big part of the game. I don't see myself driving with the cursor keys.

Aiming is everything because everything else is the same for keyboard or gamepad.
The only difference between driving with a keyboard and driving with a gamepad is in your head, it's what you find more comfortable. There is no objective reason to say that driving with a gamepad is better then with a keyboard.
As you said later, in your opinion the gamepad is better, no problem with that....but that doesn't mean we all have to admit that it's better like you said earlier.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by nostromo


A long, long time ago, you had to eat in almost every RPG: if you didn't eat, you died. Zoom to 2004: you don't have to eat anymore. Why? It's a pain in the ass and it's simply not fun. Why include an RPG element that was weeded out of every RPG? Lets hope they will do it right.

You still do have to eat in most RPGs. It's just that most "RPG"s on the computer aren't role playing games at all.

All the good RP modules in NWN, for instance, require food and sleep.

[Pekka]

Sounds excellent.. and I for one don't like the eating thing either. It'll be neat for few times 'ohh look it's hungry again!' but it'll get to be annoying after that.

In fact, I'll install Vice City again.. can't beat that 80s radio..

[Skanky Burns]

In GTA3 PC version you can aim using the mouse or the other lock-on system. You can guess which one is superior though due to what the PC crowd actually choose to use. Hooray for aiming.

[FrustratedPoet]

Having to make your character eat and sleep in computer games really really sucks. You have to take your character to the gym too, it seems. And you can give him tatoos and a lot more different sets of clothes.

Is this GTA or The Sims?

[lord of the mark]

1. In Baldurs gate, you sleep either at an inn, or in the wild. Ive always assumed that this implicitly included eating - you either got a meal with your Inn room, or foraged/hunted while in the wild. Just abstracted out. And eating more than once a day abstracted out too.


2. The Sims includes lots of activities one does every day. It seems to be real popular.

3. Isnt GTA in large part a driving game? Thats something lots of folks do every day Just cause a game is ABOUT something you dont everyday, it can still include activities you do every day.

[Adagio]

I hope they include some need of sleep, but I don't care much for the need of food... should happen automaticly when 'sleeping'