Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas info!

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by General Ludd
When you are roleplaying, realism (in terms of the game's setting) is essential for the gameplay to exist.

Yes, the setting is an essential part of an RPGs gameplay. But what does it have to do with having to eat, or sleep? In the case of food, taking it out of the game improves it. Sometimes, less is more.

When you are talking about GTA3... well, we'll have to wait and see how it's done, won't we?

Yes, we'll have to wait and see.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I think that food doesn't enhance gameplay.

How do you know? Have you played the game already?

I was talking about RPGs. If it doesn't work in RPGs, I don't see how it could work in San Andreas, unless of course they take a very different approach.

[ixnay]

I, for one, think the food element sounds like it could be fun.

I can't wait to load up on fast food and not excersise so that I can play as a morbidly obese gangster who waddles around everywhere.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by nostromo


Yes, the setting is an essential part of an RPGs gameplay. But what does it have to do with having to eat, or sleep? In the case of food, taking it out of the game improves it. Sometimes, less is more.

Well, unless you are roleplaying an immortal, eating and sleeping are essential things for most characters. Thus, to roleplay a character correctly you would need to eat and sleep - otherwise the character would starve or go delerious.

Taking this out of the game does not improve the roleplay, it removes the roleplay. Roleplay is Realism.

[Nostromo]

Nobody (except you) wants to roleplay each and every detail of everyday life: they want to cut to chase et jump to juicy parts. BTW, when I say: "take it out", it means: "abstract it".

[Lemmy]

Hmm...i wonder..

If food, or the lack of food affects your characters performance, then what about drugs? Like in Fallout...maybe something for the modders to try out...

[Imran Siddiqui]

I can't wait to load up on fast food and not excersise so that I can play as a morbidly obese gangster who waddles around everywhere.

Oh yeah... the big ass Kingpin

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by nostromo
Nobody (except you) wants to roleplay each and every detail of everyday life

Nobody except me and other roleplayers want to roleplay, yes. But I'm not the only roleplayer.


Didn't I just mention how all the best roleplay modules for NWN require food and sleep? It's included in the 'hardcore' ruleset hakpak, used to make NWN a close to core D&D rules as possible. Very popular.

EDIT: And hell, check out the Arabel NWN server. you'll see people roleplaying more than every detail. They cough, they sneeze, they trip, ect...


And if you abstract it to the point where you don't even have to buy food... then you are removing it. And that is removing a humongous part of in-character detail. How can you roleplay a warrior who can flight non stop without ever having to rest or eat anything at all? Not to mention all the ways that needing food and rest add to the game. So you're starting your career of adventuring, and you've got no money? Well, how are you going to feed yourself? Better look for a job quick, if you don't want to starve to death. Sneaking into a dungeon packed full of enemies? Better hope you can get through in a single day, or you'll have to either suffer from fatigue or find a secluded place to sleep and risk being caught off guard.

[Footie Mad]

I wonder what kind of PC will be required to run it though.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by General Ludd


Well, unless you are roleplaying an immortal, eating and sleeping are essential things for most characters. Thus, to roleplay a character correctly you would need to eat and sleep - otherwise the character would starve or go delerious.

Taking this out of the game does not improve the roleplay, it removes the roleplay. Roleplay is Realism.

Pardon, but later you mention NWN as an example. If you can have a fantasy world with magic spells, charms, etc is not possible to have a fantasy world in which characters dont need to eat or sleep?

I cant speak for the realism of GTA, since not having played it im not supposed to speak of it at all (and have stuck to that since Imran made his request so strongly)

[Lemmy]

Requirements can't be too high...it's supposed to run on a PS2 as well
I'm guessing it will be about the same as the previous 2 version, and that they simply improved their engine's performance a lot to allow for these new features...
meh, but what do i know, i haven't been following this game at all...except a few poly threads.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Pardon, but later you mention NWN as an example. If you can have a fantasy world with magic spells, charms, etc is not possible to have a fantasy world in which characters dont need to eat or sleep?

I said realistic in terms of the game setting. D&D has food and water - there are inns and restaurants in the world, and there are gluttons and starving beggars in the world. There are spells and magical items which can reduce fatigue or create food, of course, but that is dealing with it in terms that make sense within the setting.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by General Ludd



I said realistic in terms of the game setting. D&D has food and water - there are inns and restaurants in the world, and there are gluttons and starving beggars in the world. .

oh, and hunters, farmers and fishermen as well. A foodless world shouldnt have any farms (well other than cotton, or raw materials for spirits, or whatever)

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by General Ludd


Nobody except me and other roleplayers want to roleplay, yes. But I'm not the only roleplayer.


Didn't I just mention how all the best roleplay modules for NWN require food and sleep? It's included in the 'hardcore' ruleset hakpak, used to make NWN a close to core D&D rules as possible. Very popular.

EDIT: And hell, check out the Arabel NWN server. you'll see people roleplaying more than every detail. They cough, they sneeze, they trip, ect...


And if you abstract it to the point where you don't even have to buy food... then you are removing it. And that is removing a humongous part of in-character detail. How can you roleplay a warrior who can flight non stop without ever having to rest or eat anything at all? Not to mention all the ways that needing food and rest add to the game. So you're starting your career of adventuring, and you've got no money? Well, how are you going to feed yourself? Better look for a job quick, if you don't want to starve to death. Sneaking into a dungeon packed full of enemies? Better hope you can get through in a single day, or you'll have to either suffer from fatigue or find a secluded place to sleep and risk being caught off guard.

Do they roleplay bowel movement? Personal hygiene? Grooming? Choosing what you'll be wearing for your adventure? Lets agree to disagree.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by nostromo


Do they roleplay bowel movement?

Probably not in graphic detail of course, but I think that is something that you could safely abstract into "resting" unless you are roleplaying a character with a weak bladder or something. ( That could be fun. I'll have to take note.)

Personal hygiene? Grooming? Choosing what you'll be wearing for your adventure?

Absolutely. Do you have any idea what roleplaying is?