Multiplayer Strategy Guide 2nd Version

[Grandpa Troll]

NOTE:

I am not saying Illegal just against Rulz's and Regulations of Trolldom Part 5.3.2a subpart X.0.9.7.4.r2 "Whereas any @$$ being involved in affairs deemed detrimental to the overall success of Expansionism may or may not be considered an act of war!"

[Mathemagician]

yeah, k... ummm
just Checkmate implied that it was illegal, didnt he ?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by checkMate


I can't see why that would be cheating LOL...




BTW: Speaking of cheats. I would like to propose that expelling a settler, or other special unit, that is stacked with a military unit should be declared legal. I give two reasons..

1) The AI did it to me in a game recently.

2) In "real war/peace" you might send a military detachement to gaurd a traveling party. However, if the going gets rough, like the enemy take a special disliking to your entourage, the safest action to protect the traveling party might just be to send them back home. Thus, the expel unit boot button is the brilliant way that CTP chose to allow your enemy to express their displeasure at bringing settlers here and there. And it should work whether the special unit is stacked or not.

What say you'll?

Math I dont see it in this post?

Are you ok?

Medications need a refill?

Just asking?

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by checkMate
BTW: Speaking of cheats. I would like to propose that expelling a settler, or other special unit, that is stacked with a military unit should be declared legal.

so, i ask thee, oh great defender of Troll logic:
Why should someone propose something to be declared legal if he doesnt perceive it as illegal before ?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician


so, i ask thee, oh great defender of Troll logic:
Why should someone propose something to be declared legal if he doesnt perceive it as illegal before ?

Kinda of like some folks questioning whether or not it is pirating (when pirating is agreed to not happen) to "FORTIFY" on another players goods..

IT IS IN MY BOOK pillaging because if you are working that tile and no longer can receive the benefits then why wouldnt it be considered illegal?

In Trolldoms logic many illogical things go on

Ok..I do believe he was trying to clarify..

[Mathemagician]

not sure if this is the correct thread for it:

does anyone know a way to notice that a ruin has been entered in SLIC programming ?
has anyone experimented with a scenario/mod that does something with or on ruins ?

[checkMate]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
are you serious about the Keygen Mod, Checkmate ?

NOOOO I was kidding.

if that is not considered cheating, then we really should make an updated version of the Mod where this isnt possible.
at that opportunity it could also be 'corrected' that when your first city comes directly off a ruin, you do get the bonus for first city, whereas currently you dont.

about expelling a settler in a stack:
i had no idea this was regarded as illegal currently.
are you saying it currently is illegal ?

Well I have had some complaints about it, and then didn't try it anymore, but I have never seen that subject aired out here.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by checkMate


Well I have had some complaints about it, and then didn't try it anymore, but I have never seen that subject aired out here.

Try it in Trolldom and I assure you, we will "air it out"

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
not sure if this is the correct thread for it:

does anyone know a way to notice that a ruin has been entered in SLIC programming ?
has anyone experimented with a scenario/mod that does something with or on ruins ?

In my scenarios for single player I have "altered" through the risks.txt file for my own enjoyment...

Not sure about SLIC code


BUT I do remember before I got to where I was competent enough to do my own scenario making I would simply switch files had a folder on desktop and would simply click and drag..

Then one day I played an MP game and got a complaint that nothing was in some ruins and I was getting like 8500 gold..then it dawned on me that I could at least play a game with altered files and not have the game "OUT OF SYNCH" which made me even question since i did it "accidently" what could be done "INTENTIONALLY" and got away undetected??

For instance the CONST.TXT file cannot be saved or altered in a scenario you need to default one but you simply bypass by removing the default with your altered and vice versa to avoid conflicts..

Hmm..I do wonder and Math or maybe Hatschy can answer this I have a similiar thread started on how you can have a SLIC file from one game appear in another?

makes ya ponder..dont it??

Peace

Gramps

[checkMate]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


In my scenarios for single player I have "altered" through the risks.txt file for my own enjoyment...

Not sure about SLIC code


BUT I do remember before I got to where I was competent enough to do my own scenario making I would simply switch files had a folder on desktop and would simply click and drag..

Then one day I played an MP game and got a complaint that nothing was in some ruins and I was getting like 8500 gold..then it dawned on me that I could at least play a game with altered files and not have the game "OUT OF SYNCH" which made me even question since i did it "accidently" what could be done "INTENTIONALLY" and got away undetected??

For instance the CONST.TXT file cannot be saved or altered in a scenario you need to default one but you simply bypass by removing the default with your altered and vice versa to avoid conflicts..

Hmm..I do wonder and Math or maybe Hatschy can answer this I have a similiar thread started on how you can have a SLIC file from one game appear in another?

makes ya ponder..dont it??

Peace

Gramps

I would a tried it but you built ni-a-gara before I had a chance you jade pilphering grand-dad you.

[Grandpa Troll]

aww shucks thanks for the compliment ya fry rice delivering medevial armor wearing shrap sworded devil you!!

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
In my scenarios for single player I have "altered" through the risks.txt file for my own enjoyment...

what kind of alterations ? what effects did you want to achieve ?

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Not sure about SLIC code

yeah. i havent found any built-in function in the function reference that deals with ruins. neither any trigger.

my goal is to fire additional triggers in my SLIC file on ruins being entered in some way.

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Then one day I played an MP game and got a complaint that nothing was in some ruins and I was getting like 8500 gold..then it dawned on me that I could at least play a game with altered files and not have the game "OUT OF SYNCH" which made me even question since i did it "accidently" what could be done "INTENTIONALLY" and got away undetected??

For instance the CONST.TXT file cannot be saved or altered in a scenario you need to default one but you simply bypass by removing the default with your altered and vice versa to avoid conflicts..

yes, you can do a lot of bad things with that. practically anything that is given in one of those text files and only there can be changed for you personally.
i didnt know it worked in MP too though.

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Hmm..I do wonder and Math or maybe Hatschy can answer this I have a similiar thread started on how you can have a SLIC file from one game appear in another?

i used to assume this wasnt possible, with the SLIC code somehow included in the save game file. but now im not so sure anymore.

1.) my game with blackgryffin, that was started without any altered SLIC files, used to work normally even if i played it with my own, modified, SLIC file (which simply had no effect). but then, from turn 78 on, his CTP refused to open those turns that previously worked flawlessly.
i assume some of the AIs initiated some event (maybe a finished wonder ?) around that time that made the game need a clean script.slc, which according to the way how SLICs always are explained shouldnt be necessary at all.

2.) i also heard that some people, many ages ago, have discovered a way to manipulate a running game with other means than modified text files. im not sure anymore if it is possible with SLIC files too.

[Grandpa Troll]

yup and now I have like 12 + games going and all of the sudden out of the blue some games wont load...

I am about to say the heck with any modified games..INCLUDING OFT AND OFT2 and simply uninstall and start from scratch..

but not "quuite" to that point..


just ticks me off that some very questionsbale events going on

[Mathemagician]

does that include games where i am not involved as player or moderator, Gramps ?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
does that include games where i am not involved as player or moderator, Gramps ?

YES!!

I am very ticked because Math, although I havent until recently been actively involved in PBEM have probably played more games than anyone here though MP over the years, TONS and just recently have incurred very suspect gameplay situations..odd very odd..but not the end of the world my friend..just very odd..

The way I see it if someone doesnt know they shouldnt tell people thre isnt going to be a problem..

BUT we will get this resolved...

I also wonder about these other mods people use..do they overwrite files of played form a scenario folder?


Just asking is all

Peace

Gramps