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[Ben Kenobi]

Etc. Not top line starters (Fred Jackson is sort of a special case) but potential good players if things roll their way.

By ownership - it's Eifert, Amendola, Boykin, Britt, Graham, Stills, Bradshaw, Hawkins, J. Jones, and Dwyer.

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. All of these players are owned in more than a quarter of leagues.

[-Jrabbit]

I have no doubt that had it been another player, JR would have accepted the deal.

Absolutely false.

JR didn't believe he was a starter.

Absolutely false.

Starter TE for flex is even.

I think you would find that trading Delanie Walker for a flex starter to be well-nigh impossible.

Gives me an idea where people's heads actually are. That's the information I really care about.

So you're saying this whole trade proposal was some sort of litmus test for how I really feel about you?

I think Witten is a higher risk of an injury, yes. It's happened before. That's why I wanted to trade Witten ASAP while his value was high

Hmm. Or were you just trying to screw me over?

OK, I'm done here. Ben, two questions:
1. (multiple choice) What was your actual motivation for dropping Witten, who you rank as a top-3 TE?
a) your attempt at punishing me for not accepting your trade offer
b) a frustrated reaction to 1/3 of the league declining your trade offer
c) a special form of self-flagellation
d) an unfortunate accidental mouse-click
e) just a stupid move.

2. (fill in the blank) To which four teams did you offer Jason Witten in trade? (I'll spot you one.)
a. Vicious Rabbits
b. ________________
c. ________________
d. ________________

[Ben Kenobi]

I think you would find that trading Delanie Walker for a flex starter to be well-nigh impossible.

Not after this week. Kicking Guy's ass.

So you're saying this whole trade proposal was some sort of litmus test for how I really feel about you?

What is there to say? I like Michael Floyd. I offered up a fair deal for him for Witten. I own Floyd and he's not even starting for me in IDP.

What was your actual motivation for dropping Witten, who you rank as a top-3 TE?

I feel Delanie Walker is an adequate, and less injury prone replacement. And it looks like my feelings there are vindicated too. I was disappointed that I couldn't swing a deal, but whatever.

Let's recap. Kyle Rudolph, (who's a ****ty, overrated TE), is getting beat out by Delanie Walker.

[MRT144]

Walker was only 5 points better - hardly the kind of thing I'd crow about.

[Ben Kenobi]

Walker was only 5 points better - hardly the kind of thing I'd crow about.

50 percent better.

So basically I offered JR two dollars for a dollar and he turned it down. Even my backup waiver wire trash > Rudolph.

Oh well, at least you're going to win!

[-Jrabbit]

Ben, by your continued avoidance of the question and the fact that no one has come forward, I'll assume you simply lied about offering Witten trades to three other people, presumably in a vain attempt to justify the inarguable idiocy of dropping Witten.

Calling Jason Witten injury prone is another convenient lie. In his 11-year NFL career, he has missed only one game. (Delanie Walker has missed 14 in 8 yrs.)

Then, reverting to your standard role as Jaguar's farm team, you trade DeMarco Murray (drafted #14 overall) for Doug Martin (#29) in IDP. Maybe a good move, maybe not, but certainly a trade that has the not-so-subtle scent of 'WTF' about it.

My take on all this -- the shifting story, the transparent lies, the clumsy attempt at trade-shaming me -- is that, for whatever reason, you decided to rid both your rosters of Dallas players.

All the rest appears to be just a tale spun for your own amusement.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'll assume you simply lied about offering Witten trades to three other people, presumably in a vain attempt to justify the inarguable idiocy of dropping Witten.

That's right. Ben must be lying!

Are you suggesting I would have turned DOWN the trade had you accepted it?

justify the inarguable idiocy of dropping Witten

We'll see. So far the giant winner of the Witten/Rudolph/Walker trio is Kenobi.

Then, reverting to your standard role as Jaguar's farm team

Need I remind you of *Last year* when y'all stated that Jag's team was 'unbeatable?'

[-Jrabbit]

Which three managers turned down a Witten trade proposal from you? You know, the ones who all said it was a fair offer...

Name them, or admit it was a lie.

[Ben Kenobi]

Name them, or admit it was a lie.

Did I lie about the offer to you? No? Why then are you assuming I'm lying about the rest of it? The fact that you've confirmed the deal with you is evidence that suggests that I'm telling the truth.

Doesn't it make sense that I made you an offer as well as other people too? I was happy to trade Witten for a flex.

So far, Dumping Witten actually benefitted my team after week 1.

[-Jrabbit]

By repeatedly refusing to answer a simple question, you put yourself in position of appearing to lie. And every time you dance around it, you look more and more like a liar.

Fortunately, there's a very simple way to prove me wrong. Answer the question:

In addition to me, which three managers turned down a Witten trade proposal from you?

Name them, or admit it was a fabrication.

[Ben Kenobi]

By repeatedly refusing to answer a simple question, you put yourself in position of appearing to lie.

Oh. So if I choose not to answer a question, that means I must be lying. Gosh. Fascinating logic, JR.

And every time you dance around it, you look more and more like a liar.

What dancing? I stated that I made offers and they were refused. I stated that I made an offer to you - which you further confirmed.

So far, everything I said has been backed up and verified.

Are you suggesting that it's illogical that I shopped Witten around? Is there anything about what I've said that's unreasonable?

I suggest you refrain from making unsubstantiated allegations when attempting to smear another owner.

[Ben Kenobi]

Week 1 winner on the Witten/Walker/Rudolph trio. Kenobi!

[MRT144]

Week 1 winner on the Witten/Walker/Rudolph trio. Kenobi!

I would have had even lower points without Witten

[-Jrabbit]

So far, everything I said has been backed up and verified.

Your claim that you offered Witten in trade proposals to 3 other owners is neither backed up nor verified.

You had no trouble naming me. Certainly it is reasonable to expect you to name the others.

Just answer the question.

[Ben Kenobi]

I would have had even lower points without Witten

I'm sure he'll play better the rest of the year. At least this week I get braggin' rights.