NFL - Are You Ready For Some Football?! - Off Season

[Al B. Sure!]

This is actually true, at least up here.

Albert, that's a list of crappy, dysfunctional organisations. He was voted number 1 all time up here, Warren Moon included. That to me tells me that the teams that drafted him did not properly develop him. Look at it this way, if there's that large a gap between one player and the rest of the league, that tells me that whoever evaluated him screwed up.

Teams make mistakes all the time.

Yeah but all those mistakes eventually get out of the CFL or NFL Europe or the Arena League, get into the NFL, and play amazing football. Jeff Garcia, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, etc. etc. all did it. Flutie came into the NFL and was so-so at best. A good backup QB really. Flutie was like Charlie Batch or Tommy Maddox (hell, Tommy Maddox lit up the XFL).

The talent level in the CFL is so low that it's really probably lower than Division I football. I'm not going to look at guys like Colt Brennan or Graham Harrell and question why they aren't starting for any NFL teams even though they were shockingly good college QB's because college ball is not the NFL. Neither is the CFL.


Honestly, it tells me a lot about the CFL that one of the best CFL QB's right now is Henry Burris (#10 all-time CFL passer and will be #9 soon enough) and *grumbles* he was a Temple product. No Temple QB has ever been good Trust me on this one.

[-Jrabbit]

Al, Ben believes that flutie did just that -- got to the NFL and played amazing football. We've been through this several times. We all know that flutie was the tallest midget; Ben believes otherwise and always will.

Henry Burriss was a total disaster in Chicago. He remains a laughingstock here. The only reason it's not mentioned more often is that he was only here for less than a year, and the Bears have has so many epic failures at the QB position.

[Al B. Sure!]

Al, Ben believes that flutie did just that -- got to the NFL and played amazing football. We've been through this several times. We all know that flutie was the tallest midget; Ben believes otherwise and always will.

Henry Burriss was a total disaster in Chicago. He remains a laughingstock here. The only reason it's not mentioned more often is that he was only here for less than a year, and the Bears have has so many epic failures at the QB position.

And yet Henry Burris (who I can't emphasize enough is a Temple product and Temple was the worst D-I football program for nearly 30 years) flamed out badly in the NFL yet is a superstar in the CFL.

The man is the #9 all-time CFL passer.


You're clearly aware, but for everyone else, Burris's starts for Chicago:

He received significant playing time only in the last two games of the regular season. He was 8 of 22 for 50 yards and a touchdown against Carolina, fumbling twice, and 7 of 19 for 78 yards and four interceptions against Tampa Bay, for a 10.3 QB rating

If you're curious what he's up to now in the CFL, his most recent game was last Friday... he went 19 of 28 for 412 yards and 4 TDs... his longest pass was a 100 yard TD pass.

The CFL is a joke.

Doug Flutie being the greatest CFL QB means nothing if Henry Burris ROUTINELY is throwing for 400 yards a game and is slinging 100 yard passes!

[Al B. Sure!]

Looking at the CFL stat leaders so far in their season...

Guess who's the #6 leading passer in yardage for the 2010 season... Toronto Argonauts QB CLEO LEMON

God the CFL is a joke.

[-Jrabbit]

Not a joke; just not the NFL.

[-Jrabbit]

The Bears have announced that Jay Cutler is OUT vs Carolina this week. Apparently he failed his concussion follow-up testing after working out yesterday.

The Todd Collins Era is upon us.

[Al B. Sure!]

That's not surprising. These NFL concussion tests seem to take 1.5 weeks or so to pass if Kolb is any indication.

[-Jrabbit]

With Collins vs Clausen and Carolina without SSmith (and Jarrett), the Bears-Panthers game could be one of the more epic yawners of the year.

[Al B. Sure!]

With Collins vs Clausen and Carolina without SSmith (and Jarrett), the Bears-Panthers game could be one of the more epic yawners of the year.

Well, judging by the way the Chicago D played on Sunday... Deangelo Williams and Jonathon Stewart run for 200 yards... EACH


If only both teams had good Pittsburgh or Ravens level defenses... then we would have a good shot at a 0-0 tie.

[Ben Kenobi]

Starting DeAngelo btw. And maybe Fred Jackson against Jacksonville.

Yeah but all those mistakes eventually get out of the CFL or NFL Europe or the Arena League, get into the NFL, and play amazing football.

You don't consider dragging the sorry-ass bills to the playoffs single handedly at the age of 36? I do.

Flutie came into the NFL and was so-so at best.

According to the NFL, he was a pro bowler in 1998, and could have been another in 1999. He was 21-9 with the Bills. Tommy Maddox was 15-20. Charlie Batch has never been a pro Bowler. Warner was 27 when he returned to the NFL, so not comparable with Flutie at all, who didn't return to the NFL until he was 36. And he still lit up the league well enough to have been a pro bowler.

Excluding his prime, he is still considered to have been the average NFL QB. If we assume a career trajectory similar to most QBs, he'd be a lifetime 115+ QB, with a peak of around 130+. How many QBs at the age of 36 put up a 120+ QB season?

The talent level in the CFL is so low that it's really probably lower than Division I football. I'm not going to look at guys like Colt Brennan or Graham Harrell and question why they aren't starting for any NFL teams even though they were shockingly good college QB's because college ball is not the NFL. Neither is the CFL.

All time best Division 1-AA QB, why I would guess you already knew about Kurt Warner which is why you are making that ignorant statement. You don't know the CFL or Divisions 1 football.

[Ben Kenobi]

Boomer Esiason: 80-93, career passer rating of 106+. Jim Kelly, 101-59 career passer rating of 111+. Cunningham, 107+. Elway is the worst of the bunch at 105+.

Put it into perspective, a career passer rating + of 115, is right up there with Marino.

Marino had a 115+ season at 35. Warren Moon was at 119+ at the age of 38 which is better than Flutie. Montana had a 114+ season at the age of 37. Farve had a 126+ at the age of 40, and 117+ at the age of 37.

I think his best comp is Fran Tarkenton.

[Tuberski]

What imaginary career passer ratings are you using? Flutie was 76.3.

ACK!

[Ben Kenobi]

What imaginary career passer ratings are you using? Flutie was 76.3.

Pro football reference has career passer rating + which works the same way as ERA+.

Flutie was, over his entire career, minus his 8 best years in the CFL, an average NFL QB according to passer rating +. This is unusual, because it includes his worst seasons, but not his best ones. If he were truly a bad QB, you'd expect to see him below the average when you take out his best 8 years, This isn't the case.

His best NFL season, he earned a passer rating+ of 120 at the age of 36, as well as a pro bowl in 1998.

He was a damn fine NFL QB.

If you give him 8 years in the NFL with a passer rating+ of about 115, that puts him up with folks like Fran Tarkenton. 36,350 yards, 244 TDs. 118-88.

Borderline hall of famer. Just a hair better than Jim Kelly, and definitely better than Elway, Esiason and the rest.

[Tuberski]

His passer rating+ for that year was only 112, his career average is 97 - below the average.

He was a damn average QB.

Scott Mitchell is a 98.


There is a reason Flutie didn't get those 8+ years.

ACK!

[Ben Kenobi]

There is a reason Flutie didn't get those 8+ years.

So it's a fake stat now? Glad to see you looking it up.

If he's an average QB at the age of 40, why didn't he start?

Clearly he had the talent to perform well. There are few QBs that last as long as he did performing at an adequate level. Few who did so well after the age of 35 who are not considered to be hall of famers. They give war credit to players who were away from baseball. Why not with Flutie?