AHL- Apolyton Hockey League III-- Olympic edition

[Flubber]

People do respect Burrows. .

Cite??-- Fromn a non-Vancouver source and talking about something other than the idea that he is a good player

Flamers and Oilers fans do not.

Cite? I know some people in these those groups "do not"-- but there are some folks that like or hate pretty much anything you can name. Do you have anything to back up your assertion that Oilers and Flames fans dislike him more than the league in general.

Just as Canuck fans hold Iggy in low regard.

I doubt this as a general statement. Again it will be true for some but I contest it as a general viewpoint held by a majority of Canuck fans (particularly since he was part of another Team Canada gold)


Ben -- just so you know, I accept and know what the general reputation of IGGY is, but don't buy into him as the "great leader"-- To me to be a great leader you need to lead to success. Other than 04, Calgary has had zero playoff success. Some times the team was not good enough to realistically hope to win and there were a few years where Iggy's personal on-ice performance was stellar.

But a leader also helps turn a team into a cohesive unit that will sometimes out-perform expectations. I have not seen that enough from the Flames in the last 6 years. I have seen numerous examples of Iggy's personal play being stellar and turning around a game. This isn't about that. Its about the performance of those you lead.

So Ben you can try to paint me as an Iggy fan-boy all you want but its simply not true. I see his good and his bad but some things are simply beyond dispute. With 9 30 goal seasons he is in elite company surpassed only by 9 players. He is undoubtedly widely respected. His personal play has often been elite. he has had a key role in two gold medal game victories over the US. I see these things as established facts.

What I don't see is that he has necessarily been a great leader for the calgary Flames. Great leaders find a way to succeed if given a reasonable opportunity.

[Ben Kenobi]

So Ben you can try to paint me as an Iggy fan-boy all you want but its simply not true. I see his good and his bad but some things are simply beyond dispute. With 9 30 goal seasons he is in elite company surpassed only by 9 players. He is undoubtedly widely respected. His personal play has often been elite. he has had a key role in two gold medal game victories over the US. I see these things as established facts.

Then I owe you an apology. Personally, I think he's a douche, but I don't claim to be objective either.

[Flubber]

but I don't claim to be objective either.

Quoted for outright freaking obviousness

[Asher]

I'm curious though, what makes Iginla a douche and Burrows not a douche?

Punching someone on the ice while sitting on the bench...douche move.
Constantly embellishing injuries and diving...douche move.
Whining about officiating in a childlike way after the game to the media...douche move.

One players has done all three...and it's not Iginla.

[Ben Kenobi]

Let's see.
Deliberately injuring a player and insisting it was an 'accident'. Isn't that what Bertuzzi was condemned for?

[Asher]

Let's see.
Deliberately injuring a player and insisting it was an 'accident'.

This is what you got? You still think Iginla was trying to kill Souray?

And that's what your entire argument is based off of? And you compared it to ****ing Bertuzzi?

Your stupidity should be a crime.

[Sparrowhawk]

I'm an Oilers fan, but even I didn't blame Iginla for the Souray incident (but then again, I sided with Bertuzzi in the More incident too, so maybe I am not that objective either).

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[Ben Kenobi]

This is what you got? You still think Iginla was trying to kill Souray?

On the contrary, I believe he was attempting to injure Souray. I don't believe Bertuzzi was trying to injure Moore.

[Asher]

You believe in many things patently absurd. That's just one of the very, very many things.

Doesn't it bother you to be so stupid? You seriously must know you are mentally deficient. It's not just a serial troll by everyone in your ****ing life -- when people tell you how stupid you are, they mean it.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'd rather be called stupid by idiots than intelligent by idiots.

[Asher]

That's a pretty stupid thing to say.

[Asher]

For some reason unknown to me, Toskala is starting tonight...against Colorado. ****ing bizarre.

[Ben Kenobi]

They are intimidated by Colorado's awesomeness and don't want Kipper to lose heart

[Sparrowhawk]

I didn't see any of the game, but given the result, starting Toskala doesn't seem like such a questionable move to me

Actually, kinda backs up what I said about Toskala when they made the trade, much better then McBackup or whatever you were calling him.

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[Asher]

He's definitely a much better backup. It's just odd to start him, though he played really well.