NFL - Are You Ready For Some Football?! - 2010 Offseason

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm just speculating, what would happen when AJ has 8 million dollars to spend on a free agent in 2006.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Both are in the list of the top 20 QBs of all time. Easily in the top percentile of NFL QBs.

Anyone who thinks Vinny Testaverde is one of the Top 20 QBs of all time should be killed.

[Lord Avalon]

Testaverde is on that list because he played for 20+ yrs. He was decent, but not great.

[Lord Avalon]

I'm just speculating, what would happen when AJ has 8 million dollars to spend on a free agent in 2006.

They sure wouldn't have spent it on Woodson.

[Ben Kenobi]

Can you see a bigger need on the team that can be filled through free agency?

[Ben Kenobi]

Imran, I'd love to see a list of 20 NFL QBs without Brees or Testaverde.

[Lord Avalon]

WTF about "Green Bay was the only team that wanted him" don't you understand? That means San Diego was not interested. And they had been seeing him twice a year.

[-Jrabbit]

Most years, Vinnie Testaverde was barely in the top 20 QBs in the NFL.

He played for seven different franchises (only one with a .500+ record), barely threw more TDs than INTs (275-267), and had a career passer rating of... 75.0. That's Grossman territory. (Speaking of Sexy Rexy, Vinnie also managed 116 career fumbles in 233 games.)

He did manage to get into 2 Pro Bowls in his 21 years.

Even better is Testaverde's Fantasy Football Rank -- only 2 years ('96 and 98) where his actual position rank was in the top 10 QBa.

Top 20 all time? No. Not even close - even with his numbers all pumped up by playing as a backup and fill-in from 2001-07. Career journeyman, had a couple good years. Nothing more.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran, I'd love to see a list of 20 NFL QBs without Brees or Testaverde.

In no particular order:

John Unitas
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
Peyton Manning
John Elway
Steve Young
Brett Favre
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Fouts
Ken Anderson
Roger Staubach
Sonny Jurgenson
Len Dawson
Bart Starr
Y.A. Tittle
Warren Moon
Norm Van Brocklin
Otto Graham
Sammy Baugh
Sid Luckman
Tom Brady


Ooops... that's more than 20!

[Ben Kenobi]

WTF about "Green Bay was the only team that wanted him" don't you understand? That means San Diego was not interested. And they had been seeing him twice a year.

They didn't have the money for him in 2006. If not Woodson, who would they have signed in 2006? I think their biggest need was on the secondary. I don't see any safety of decent quality available.

[Ben Kenobi]

John Unitas
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
Peyton Manning
John Elway
Steve Young
Brett Favre
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Fouts
Ken Anderson
Roger Staubach
Terry Bradshaw
Sonny Jurgenson
Len Dawson
Bart Starr
Y.A. Tittle
Warren Moon
Norm Van Brocklin
Otto Graham
Sammy Baugh
Sid Luckman
Tom Brady

Really? Ken Anderson? 33k yardage, no superbowls? Brees has as many nominations and a ring.

That's 21 QBs otherwise. Brees and Testaverde then would be 22 and 23 on your list.

Not too shabby.

[Ben Kenobi]

Top 20 all time? No. Not even close - even with his numbers all pumped up by playing as a backup and fill-in from 2001-07. Career journeyman, had a couple good years. Nothing more.

Depending on where you rank Brees, Testaverde is right up there. I can see the argument for excluding him from the top 20, but I can't see him as very far from that list.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, Ken Anderson. Educate yourself. Basing it on total yardage and SuperBowl wins indicates how moronic you actually are.

Interestingly:

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Philip Rivers was #1 in DVOA this season and #3 in DYAR. Both better than Brees, mind (he finished behind Tom Brady and Payton Manning in DYAR, because he threw less than either).

[Ben Kenobi]

I have, I can't see why you'd rate Ken Anderson, who was 91-81, btw, over Drew Brees.

You'll have to explain why. I don't see anything remarkable in his numbers.

Football outsiders, hah.

My dog made better picks in the playoffs then they did.

Hmm, lets use JRabbit's standards:

Ranked in the top 10 in QB Fantasy football for 6 years.

Drew Brees:

8,6,2,5,1,2.

Ken Anderson:

4,1,2,8,2,3.

I'm still not seeing it Imran. All I can see here are homer goggles. I can't see any stat that puts Ken Anderson significantly above Drew Brees. There's just nothing there. Ken Anderson and Brees, have both been at number 1 for one year, number 2 for 2 years, Anderson was at 3 and 4, while Brees was at 5 and 6.

Both recovered from significant career-threatening injuries. Brees won a ring, Anderson did not. Brees > Anderson.

TD/Int ratio : 197/160 for Anderson, Brees has 210/110.

[Imran Siddiqui]

re: Anderson

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2286_The_most_underrated_quarterbacks.html

1. Ken Anderson (1971-86)
The fact that Dan Fouts and Warren Moon are in the Hall of Fame and Ken Anderson is not stands as the greatest injustice to hit Canton since England sedated half of China during the Opium Wars.

Anderson is a first-ballot Hall of Famer who history has forgotten in favor of lesser performers like Fouts, Moon, even Jim Kelly, among others.

This guy was awesome – certainly Hall of Fame-caliber awesome – and certainly more awesome than Fouts or Moon.

For example, let’s have a little pop quiz: Who led the league in passer rating four times, Anderson, Fouts or Moon?

If you guessed Anderson, you’re right! In fact, Fouts or Moon never led the league in passer rating. Anderson accomplished this feat in 1974, 1975, 1981 and 1982.

To put those numbers into perspective, consider that only Sammy Baugh and Steve Young led the league more often in passer rating (six times each).

But those historic numbers tell only part of the story.

Anderson’s 81.68 career passer rating is second among multi-era players, behind only the great Roger Staubach. He even holds the single-season record for completion percent (70.6) – though the fact he set it in the strike-shortened, nine-game 1982 season makes it jump out as a clear statistical outlier. Still, he did it.

The consistency with which Anderson was always among the league’s most efficient passers is made all the more impressive by the fact that twice each year the career Cincinnati QB had to line up against Lambert, Greene, Blount and arguably the greatest defense in history.

But even the Steel Curtain often struggled to rein in Anderson: In a 1974 meeting, Anderson completed 20 of 22 passes against the eventual Super Bowl champions. The 90.9 completion percentage that day stands as the second highest ever in a regular-season NFL game. It’s not like he mowed down a Triple A line-up that day, either, folks. He completed 20 of 22 passes against one of the most star-studded defenses in history, and near the very depths of offensive production that marked the the lowest points of the Dead Ball Era.

Did we mention Anderson was pretty good?

It certainly helped that he spent his early years under the tutelage of Bengals head coach and founder Paul Brown, probably the greatest offensive mind in the history of the game.

Alas, Anderson suffered the indiginity of never winning a championship. He had his closest shot in 1981, when he led the Bengals to a 12-4 record and an appearance in Super Bowl XVI, where they were edged 26-21 by an even better quarterback (Joe Montana) and better team (the 13-3 49ers).

So Anderson will never make our list of Top 10 greatest quarterbacks, for example. But he certainly deserves a spot in Canton (preferably the one in Ohio, not the one in China). And the fact that much lesser players at his position have entered before him, and that he's no longer even in the HOF discussion, makes Anderson the clear choice as the most underrated quarterback in history.