AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 08/09: Preseason

[Asher]

Originally posted by snoopy369


You don't have a very long memory, do you?? We discussed having hits as a category a few pages ago... and most of the folks in the discussion liked the idea.

Because it is a nice idea in theory and in theory alone. It's too unreliable a statistic.

I'm sorry -- have you played in leagues where hits was a stat? You know I love hits...my blog is called Open Ice Hits for christ sake. I just know from experience it's a bad statistical category for fantasy purposes.

[snoopy369]

Why didn't you chime in on this when we were discussing it on page 1 then??

And yes, I played in a league once with hits (my only non-apolyton hockey league ever)... I was basing using it on the fact that others who know about hockey wanted it, not anything of my knowledge, though.

[Kontiki]

I'd like a straight-ahead draft as well. The auction might be interesting, but given all of our time constraints this year, I'd like to keep it as simple as possible.

[Asher]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Why didn't you chime in on this when we were discussing it on page 1 then??

Because it's pointless to discuss a stat not available in the system we are using...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by snoopy369


You don't have a very long memory, do you?? We discussed having hits as a category a few pages ago... and most of the folks in the discussion liked the idea.

In fairness - Asher never really chimed in on that

My bottom line is I would like to see some player stat where defencemen can do well. As it stands once you get past the elite d-men, you are mainly drafting them because you have to-- I would like a stat somewhere that does that

An Asher I admit that hits can be inconsistent but even that can play into draft knowledge--It is predictable that D-men will be in the leaders etc-- Its just that as we did the draft last year it was unidimensional for players-- With the partial exception of plus/minus everything was about scoring-- There was little of the real balancing

I would be happy with any stat that would be routinely led by someone other than the big pointsgetters-- But if we are at yahoo, with last eyars stats I didn't see much to change

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher


Because it is a nice idea in theory and in theory alone. It's too unreliable a statistic.

I'm sorry -- have you played in leagues where hits was a stat? You know I love hits...my blog is called Open Ice Hits for christ sake. I just know from experience it's a bad statistical category for fantasy purposes.

Is it that bad really though Asher? -- Take a look at the hits for Flames last year-- Is there anyone that shocks you ? Well I was surprised to see Huselius somewhere made NINE of them on the season LOL-- But seriously the ranking to the players on hist is EXACTLY as I would have expected

So a hit gets counted here and there that shouldn't or the standard is a bit variable-- Stoll over the season I think it is predictable enough that people COULD make decisions on it

[Asher]

The problem is it is mostly consistent in the context of a team. It is less consistent when comparing team to team, due to different arena statisticians.

[snoopy369]

If Asher's right and hits are excessively arbitrary, then hits are a bad idea (they should be predictable). Other options (out of ESPN's settings, as we don't know Yahoo's yet) are:

DEF Defensemen Points
(A)TOI (Average) Time on Ice

Both have some value for defensemen. I'd assume Yahoo! Has TOI/ATOI, but not sure about the latter.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why not do something like ERA+

Take the baseline for each position, and rank each player based on how they compare with everyone else in their position.

When you tally it up, match each position player with the opposing players week by week, and whomever comes out on top is the best player.

[Asher]

Because we do not run Yahoo Sports, Ben...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
The problem is it is mostly consistent in the context of a team. It is less consistent when comparing team to team, due to different arena statisticians.

While I can agree that there could be some variation, I don't think you can say something like LA guy gives hits easily

Yes Brown is prolific on the stat but the next LA King is ranked in 52nd place and there are exactly two LA Kings in the top 60 on hits so exactly average for a 30 team league and only 3 total players in the top 120 players.

If the stats guy was so easy in giving hits in LA wouldn't you think the LA players might have a few more??

THis is all moot because hits wasn't available at Yahoo anyway-- and there may be good reasons to reject it but Asher's anlalysis seems a bit flawed

[snoopy369]

[Asher]But the Kings are a wussy team, so 3 in the top 120 is far more than they should have. [/Asher]

You seem busy today so I figure i'll make your responses for you

Also, documenting project requirements is annoying. Necessary, but annoying.

[Asher]

Maybe the guy just had a man-crush on Brown. Don't know, don't care, it's an unreliable stat. You can't tell me you've never seen a game where they break down the "hits" per team per period and they strike you as completely nonsense?

[Asher]

Originally posted by snoopy369
[Asher]But the Kings are a wussy team, so 3 in the top 120 is far more than they should have. [/Asher]

You seem busy today so I figure i'll make your responses for you

Also, documenting project requirements is annoying. Necessary, but annoying.

The project requirements are already documented. I spent most of the day trying to explain the UI to the artistic team which is cutting XAML for our UI, and the kind of movement we need from it.

[Guynemer]

Regarding the auction topic...

I participated in the Poly auction baseball draft this year, and it was really a blast. I had never done an auction draft before. I'd love to do an auction hockey draft; if we can't get enough folks for one this year, maybe next time.