AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 07/08: IV The Rookie Menace

[Tingkai]

So your theory is the only reason those goalies are good is because they catch shooters by "surprise."

I can just imagine the banter when skater goes back to the bench: Damn, I didn't know he was a right-handed catcher.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
BTW, if you read what I've cited, you'll find Canada is in the middle between Europe (predominately left-shooting) and America (predominately right-shooting). This is a rather well-known fact for those who know about the sport.

Oh, so now you're changing your story.

Before you said,

Originally posted by Asher
North American players tend to shoot right.

Pick a story, any story, and stick with it.

The majority of hockey players shoot left because most people are right-handed. It's as simple as that.

And if you read the blog you posted, you would know that, and you would know why your first comment was crazy.

[Tingkai]

And since you didn't read the link here's what it says:

"61 percent of USA Hockey’s elite female players shoot left-handed, along with 53 percent of their male counterparts"

Gretzky shoots left; so do seventy percent of stick purchasers from St. John's to Victoria.

In other words, you are quite wrong in saying North Americans tend to shoot right.

but do continue, this is fun.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
So your theory is the only reason those goalies are good is because they catch shooters by "surprise."

Do you have MAJOR reading comprehension issues, a complete lacking of any analytical abilities, or both?

This has been fun, Tingkai, but there's only so many times you can Fez a discussion before people discover what's going on.

You say shooter/skater handedness doesn't matter. I say it does. I provide statistics showing statistical significance of handedness mattering in scoring situations. You laugh it off and whip out the blatant strawmen until we stop discussing the topic so you can continue to think you "won".

It's pretty comical, just like your hilarious hockey insights and predictions a year or two down the road.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
And since you didn't read the link here's what it says:

"61 percent of USA Hockey’s elite female players shoot left-handed, along with 53 percent of their male counterparts"

Gretzky shoots left; so do seventy percent of stick purchasers from St. John's to Victoria.

In other words, you are quite wrong in saying North Americans tend to shoot right.

but do continue, this is fun.

Oh, certainly. I an COMPLETELY bested, only 47% shoot right, not 51%.

You are vindicated completely for saying handedness doesn't matter and right-handed people shoot left (which is what, 10% of the population?)

You're splitting hairs when you missed the big picture completely.

I really must commend your slimey abilities to try to avoid the topic of discussion. Does handedness matter? Yes/no.

You say no. I provide statistics saying yes.

That's pretty straight-forward pwnaging,but you continue. When you can't win the real argument you split hairs and become a semantical nightmare all while missing the big picture.

[Tingkai]

I've just had so much fun with your wild theories that I didn't get around to dealing with your statistics.

The numbers only look at shoot-outs over two seasons. There are very few right-handed goalies so the SO numbers for these goalies are simply not going to be large enough to provide a proper sample.

`nough said on that one.

Next.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
Oh, certainly. I an COMPLETELY bested,

You certainly are, given that more than 70% of Canadians shoot left.

But I'm glad you admit you were wrong in saying "North Americans tend to shoot right."

I'd love to talk more, but I am at work.

Do carry on by yourself so I'll have more to laugh at later.

[Asher]

I'm going to distill this entire argument into simple, statistical fact based on shootout results from the last two years.

When the goalie catches left (as most do) and the shooter shoots left (as most do in the NHL right now), the scoring percentage is 37%.

When the goalie catches right and the shooter shoots left (as most do), the scoring percentage is 25%.

There is an undeniable statistical advantage to right-handed catching goalies

Even when the goalie and shooter are BOTH right-handed, the scoring percentage is 32% -- still significantly lower.

I don't see, given the facts here, that you can say there's no difference if the goalie catches right or left.

QED.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
You certainly are, given that more than 70% of Canadians shoot left.

But I'm glad you admit you were wrong in saying "North Americans tend to shoot right."

I'd love to talk more, but I am at work.

Do carry on by yourself so I'll have more to laugh at later.

You seem to be confusing "North Americans" with "Canadians", and as a result looking very foolish. You've done it many times here. There are many more North Americans than there are Canadians.

Canadians tend to shoot left by a slight majority, Americans tend to shoot right by a slight majority (remember, 67% of hockey sticks sold in the USA are righties), and Europeans shoot left by a huge majority. In the NHL, most shooters are lefties.

Originally posted by Tingkai
I've just had so much fun with your wild theories that I didn't get around to dealing with your statistics.

The numbers only look at shoot-outs over two seasons. There are very few right-handed goalies so the SO numbers for these goalies are simply not going to be large enough to provide a proper sample.

`nough said on that one.

Next.

Oh, 164 shootout attempts on right-catching goalies is not a large enough sample? How convenient for you.

This discussion's over, Tingkai, for obvious reasons. Handedness matters, provably. If you wish to prove otherwise, be my guest. If you wish to continue to spew unsupported rhetoric, be my guest. If you want to continue to split hairs over a general comment about North Americans in general (not even limited to the NHL), be my guest. But the discussion's already been decided.

[Asher]

And on that note, I leave the thread with Tingkai hockey insight:

If they need a veteran d-man who they can rely on, they go with McCabe.

The Leafs have been there, done that. We've had our dynasties and our droughts so we know what it takes to win

In the new NHL, McCabe has been forced to adjust and change his game, and he has done so. With Maurice as coach, McCabe will be forced to become more disciplined.

As for his salary, it is inline with other league salaries.

Goodnight.

[Tingkai]

Asher reads the Toronto Sun, the tabloid of choice for high school dropouts.

[Asher]

Who said I read it?

More insane jumps to conclusion and strawmen.

It's hard to avoid seeing the frontpage of that paper on the downtown streets, and I thought it went perfectly with your wildly-inaccurate predictions.

[Asher]

Columbus had a franchise low 11,000 attendance last night.

According to Sportsline (Rob Kerr), the NHL is internally very worried about the survivability of several US teams.

I think the GTA could support several new teams. The market is huge, and the existing team is terrible.

How does this sound to everyone:
Nashville -> Hamilton
Florida -> Waterloo
Columbus -> Winnipeg
NYI -> Quebec City

I also notice Edmonton's attendance continues to lag significantly behind Calgary's. Are they all fairweather fans there? Bandwagoners...

[Kontiki]

I wouldn't move NYI or Columbus, and I don't think either franchise is in particular trouble. AFAIK, the ones in serious trouble right now are Nashville, Atlanta and Florida.

I also wouldn't put more than one more team in southern Ontario.

[Asher]

That's crazy talk. It could easily support 2 or 3, like New York.