AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 07/08: IV The Rookie Menace

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Flubber
I am still womdering why we all suck so bad on plus minus-- One would think that if we all picked good players, our aggregate plus minus would be around 0or slightly positive-- But I just added it up for this week and between us all we are MINUS 14. Are the higher point getters ( ie the folks we pick) inherently negative for their teams? It would seem so if the aggregate scores for these folks are usually negative

heck last week our teams were an aggregate of MINUS 41

How is this happening ? Since plus minus is inherently a zero-sum game ( with the exception of SHG which give out more minuses than pluses) how is it that our players in total fare so badly?

1. SHG
2. There are players with higher +/- and lower scoring, and those with lower +/- and higher scoring. Those who have high in both are clearly chosen; but, on balance, fantasy players will take someone with good stats outside of +/- than someone who has only +/-, because 4 categories are better than 1.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by Asher
What do you think about the retarded press in Montreal, Flubber?

Which paper/station?

[Asher]

RDS mostly.

[Ninot]

Is there an RDS.ca article? I don't expect you watched the channel very long.

[Asher]

Just read what I heard.

Fleury is getting robbed by shoddy officiating. Pisses me off, why does he have to suck and/or get robbed constantly?

Une rumeur enverrait Alex Kovalev à Calgary en retour d'Alex Tanguay. Serait-ce une bonne transaction pour le Canadien?

was on the front page of rds.ca earlier today.

[Ninot]

I googled it because it wasn't currently on the front page. The blogspot blog (http://battleofalberta.blogspot.com) that came up said it was a poll on the front page.. 69% say Kovalev for Tanguay would be a good trade for the Habs.

Not exactly an article or opinion piece.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

All I'm saying is glove-handedness matters, as the vast majority goalies catch with the left hand. When you get a really good right-handed catching goalie, it's an asset that can be used since players have less practice shooting on such a goalie. Out of instinct and practice, many will shoot "glove-side" and get the blocker, or vice versa. It's not unheard of, and statistically there's a difference between left and right-catching goalies on shooters.

Ok, so I take it you understand why comparing left-right hand of pitchers to left-right hand of goalies is stupid. Completely different situation, eh.

Now Snoopy says the shooter might matters, but shooting a puck is obviously different from pitching. Left-right is not an issue for what players can do with a puck.

And the idea that Europeans shoot left while Canadians shoot right.

As for the idea that shooters will be "surprised," you do realize that top NHL scorers practice scoring everywhere on the net. They look for an opening before they shoot.

And you do realize that top goalies are just as effective stopping a shot with their blocker as they are with the glove. The only difference is the rebound or lack of it.

So the idea that left-right hand matters for goalies is just stupid.

[snoopy369]

I'd actually say that the stats from Asher's blog refute your last point. The only logical reason for RvR and LvL to be substantially more effective than RvL and LvR in shootouts is that glove hand IS more effective than stick hand.

I am suggesting that the shooter's hand versus the goalie's hand matters in one on one situations (based on that blog), but that it's unlikely you could make any further statement based on that blog (and I suspect it would be difficult or impossible to show statistically that a RHG goalie would be substantially better in non-one on one situations.

[Jonny]

Originally posted by Flubber
Oh and in a weird twist, my learned opponent had the possibility to have two goalie games tonight but it appears he will end up with none. Turco is "playing" for him while not playing in real life while Norrena is "benched" but actually playing in the game. This could be deep strategy but I would have thought when your goalies go ahead to head, that you would put both on your roster and and if they both actually played , you would be guaranteed a win.

I like that you call it deep strategy. That sounds a lot better than "I forgot to reset my lineup today."

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Jonny


I like that you call it deep strategy. That sounds a lot better than "I forgot to reset my lineup today."

Well with goalies, I can sometimes see someone sitting sv%

But later when I saw you had skaters that were on the bench, I realized you must have forgot-- Oh well- I''ll take an advantage where I can get it

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
And the idea that Europeans shoot left while Canadians shoot right.

It's true. Do some research. There's a book by Bruce Dowbiggin (I'm sure you know who he is, being an avid hockey fan and journalist) called "The Stick". In it, there's all kinds of fascinating statistics and interviews with executives from Easton, Sher-wood, and CCM as well on this very topic.

67% of hockey sticks sold in the America are righthanded.
90% of European shooters shoot left.

The stats are there. You can refute it by calling it "stupid", as you are apt to do, but there's an interesting dichotomy that a more learned student of the sport would be aware of.

Read some more here if you can't get the book: http://tropicofhockey.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html

So the idea that left-right hand matters for goalies is just stupid.

Basically, I'm seeing a whole bunch of rhetoric from you. That's what's stupid.

McCabe is a reliable defenseman.
Kiprusoff is a flash in the pan.
Teams would want McCabe over Phaneuf.

You're full of all sorts of fascinating opinions. Some of them are wrong when you say them, and the rest prove themselves wrong over time.

[Tingkai]

I do love how you invent little stories. If you ever need a job, give the Republicans a call.

And you do realize that right-handed people tend to shoot left, eh. So you're saying the majority of Canadians are left-handers.

[Asher]

I'm not saying anything about general handedness. I don't care which hand they write erotic stories with.

The context here is very clearly hockey and skaters shooting the puck and goalies catching. I've quoted hard percentages and facts, you've posted nothing but LOL smilies and half-assed attempts to change the subject.

Your desperate attempts to distract attention from a rather one-sided argument is duly noted.

[Asher]

BTW, if you read what I've cited, you'll find Canada is in the middle between Europe (predominately left-shooting) and America (predominately right-shooting). This is a rather well-known fact for those who know about the sport.

Maybe this article with the basics of hockey sticks and handedness would serve you some good

http://www.lcshockey.com/content/051607right.asp

[Asher]

For interests' sake, of the 72 NHL goaltenders on rosters, only six catch right (and it's quite an impressive list): Jose Theodore, Mathieu Garon, Josh Harding, Tomas Vokoun, Rick DiPietro, and Jean-Sabastien Giguere.