NFL - Are you ready for some Football - Week 5

[SlowwHand]

Giving up 30+ points per game says there's a problem.
Dallas has probs with the pass defense. Pats have a problem, too.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I agree, 30+ points allowed by a defense is an issue. Um. When did the NE defense give up 30+?

[SlowwHand]

Gave up 27 to Dallas and then 28 to Miami. It's not 30, but it's pretty close. Miami?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

A) There's a difference between 30+ and 30+ per game.
B) They haven't given up 30+ all year.
3) The NE defense gave up 20 to Dallas.
Q) The NE defense gave up 21 to Miami, all but 7 or which were garbage time.

Yeah, they have issues, particularly with speed. They're not so major that any team short of the Colts can exploit them enough to keep up with the strength of the offense on an average day. Bad days can happen, but that's inevitable.

[SlowwHand]

You're wrong on the scores. Don't you at least want something that visibly wrong hidden before you argue the rest?

[-Jrabbit]

DA BEARRSSSS!!!

[reismark]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Gave up 27 to Dallas and then 28 to Miami. It's not 30, but it's pretty close. Miami?

New England was ahead 42-7 in the fourth quarter. It's called "garbage time".

[-Jrabbit]

Sloww, Koy's just saying some of those points were not the NE defense's responsibility, like Cassell's INT-TD today.

[Lord Avalon]

Yeah, Pats have big problems. They were shut out in the 3rd quarter by the Dolphins. And their backup QB threw an INT which got returned for a TD.

[asleepathewheel]

Patriots Obtain 13,000 Stubhub Names

Patriots season ticket holders fear being put on hot seat
Online sellers worry about team's plans

By Bruce Mohl, Globe Staff | October 20, 2007

Season ticket holders of the New England Patriots reacted nervously yesterday to reports the team may take disciplinary action against fans who bought or sold tickets over the last five years on the online site StubHub Inc., while other sports fans praised the team for fighting back against scalpers.

The team obtained the names, addresses, and phone numbers of 13,000 individuals who bought or sold Patriots tickets or participated in a Patriots tickets auction on StubHub since 2002. StubHub, owned by eBay Inc., is an online marketplace for ticket buyers and sellers. The company was ordered to turn over the names to the Patriots by a Suffolk Superior Court judge as part of a lawsuit focused on whether the website was illegally encouraging fans to violate the team's policy against resales and the state's antiscalping law.

Patriots season ticket holders who sold tickets on StubHub have not yet heard what the team plans to do. To date, team officials have declined to say.

Diane, a season ticket holder who asked not to be identified for fear of being targeted by the Patriots, said she sold some of her seats on StubHub to help defray the cost of purchasing them.

"It's my ticket, and I should be able to do whatever I want with it," she said.

The Patriots view their tickets as revocable licenses that they control. The team currently prohibits resales anywhere but on the team's website, which is run by Ticketmaster and requires fans to sell their tickets at face value.

Mike, another season ticket holder who attempted to sell tickets on StubHub and requested anonymity, said he didn't appreciate the Patriots going to court to obtain private information about him.

But other sports fans applauded the Patriots for trying to prevent season ticket holders from making enormous profits on their tickets.

"Whatever happened to buying tickets for the games you want to go to, rather than buying them so that you can resell them and essentially price the average blue collar fan out of going to a game," said Sean Duke-Crocker of Brookline.

Gina Preziosi of Stoneham also praised the Patriots for setting rules and enforcing them. "After battling scalpers for years to get a decent Sox or concert ticket, only to find the scalpers miraculously have all the best seats, and watching our attorney general and law enforcement ignore the issue, I'm glad they are sticking up for the little guy," she said.

I have mixed feelings about this one. I've used stub hub several times, in several cities, and its worked out well, nothing beyond face value.

I have been screwed numerous times with ticketmaster, not logging in immediately and losing out on good concert tickets.

I think I'm going to go on the side of Stubhub on this one, I'm guessing that teams are going to try to move to the Cubs version of controlled scalping, controlled by the team it is. Which makes me want to puke.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Patriots Obtain 13,000 Stubhub Names



I have mixed feelings about this one. I've used stub hub several times, in several cities, and its worked out well, nothing beyond face value.

I have been screwed numerous times with ticketmaster, not logging in immediately and losing out on good concert tickets.

I think I'm going to go on the side of Stubhub on this one, I'm guessing that teams are going to try to move to the Cubs version of controlled scalping, controlled by the team it is. Which makes me want to puke.

I normally would tend to agree with you asleepathewheel , however I think this scalping issue has a two edged sword.

I also think the Patriots ought to be able to make these tickets available to Fans who want to attend and support the team.

The Patriots get something in crowd participation, and if just anyone can purchase the tickets, i.e. visiting fans from other team, then homefield advantage could be affected.


Im not 110% convinced either way, just feel this has its deep rooted merits.

Gramps

[Straybow]

Pgh started out doing well, then what the heck happened? I think his name is Ben.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by reismark

New England was ahead 42-7 in the fourth quarter. It's called "garbage time".

Did I say anything to you? Let me answer that for you. No. No, I didn't say anything to you.
I've never given Koy trash and the time has come. So butt out.

[SlowwHand]

Madden likes Pittsburgh's 2nd half pace? He gets paid good money for that observation.
I suppose this is opposed to Hines Ward and his monkeyeating**** grin after he misses ball after ball in the 1st half.
"I got my money, boss. That's all I care about."

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I've never given Koy trash and the time has come. So butt out.

You may have wanted to try an easier argument than "the Pats are in trouble this year" to start out on...