Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Uncle Sparky]

Has Ginni Thomas been charged yet? Has her hubby recused himself from ruling on any cases?

[Berzerker]

How many were convicted of sedition? During BLM riots thousands of people impeded cops

[Jon Miller]

Half a dozen? https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/24-m...0incarceration.


Arrests made: More than 950 defendants have been arrested in nearly all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (This includes those charged in both District and Superior Court).

Criminal charges:

• More than 284 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 99 individualswho have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
  • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted January 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
• Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on January 6.
• Approximately 860 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 91 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
• Approximately 59 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 36 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
• More than 295 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
• Approximately 50 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, (d) seditious conspiracy, or some combination of the four.

Pleas:

• Approximately 484 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
  • Approximately 119 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 364 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
  • A total of 52 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. An additional 22 individuals have pleaded guilty to felony obstruction of law enforcement during a civil disorder. Of these 74 defendants, 41have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 90 months.
  • Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.

Trials:

• 40 individuals have been found guilty at contested trials, including 3 who were found guilty in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. Another 10 individuals havebeen convicted following an agreed-upon set of facts. 16 of these 50 defendants were found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, a felony, including one who has been sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Sentencings:

• Approximately 351 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on January 6. Approximately 192 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 87 defendantshave been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 14 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.

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That was the status on January 2023, there have been additional people charged recently https://www.npr.org/2023/03/25/11650...6-capitol-riot .

JM

[Berzerker]

Please provide proof for your hundreds of assets. The majority of the crowd were MAGA.
There is NO PROOF of your Hundreds of government assets.
(and just what the hell is a government asset anyway )

The only real assets there were Trump assets... doing exactly what he told them to do.
They were there because Trump commanded they come... and then commanded them to march on the Capitol.

But I guess in Trump land, the majority of the crowd was liberal assets to make Trump look bad?

We're not talking about the majority of MAGA, just the seditionists responsible for the 'coup'. Even the case against that one-eyed fat man admitted the riot was not part of the coup, the Oathkeepers took advantage of it. For what exactly I'm not sure, that guy didn't go inside and the riot is what caused the delay in certification.

So we have a half dozen 'seditionists' in a sea of govt assets. Who are these assets? Well, they were dressed like MAGA and Oathkeepers. According to court documents from the trials they were FBI, Capital police, Wash DC police, DoJ/Homeland Sec and Secret Service. Dont know if Tony Fauci had the FDA on hand to censor Covid information yet, but that was coming to a theater near everyone soon enough. Trump told his audience to protest peacefully, what were these govt assets telling people?

[Berzerker]

Actually I never conceded that they shelled "the Donbas". I think it's total BS that they were targeting the region like some sort of ww2 bomber Harris campaign. They were indeed attempting to shell and defeat the separatist armed formations.

The question "who started it?" required context. Who started what? inter Ukrainian political conflict? inter Ukrainian violence? Inter Ukrainian armed forces conflict? Russian intervention across the Ukrainian border? I maintain that for everything about the current special operation between Russia and Ukraine that Russia totally and exclusively "started it". Then you go off on some tangent about "coups" and CIA funding of sniper ops against police and protestors as if that is even remotely relevant to Russia invading Crimea in 2014 let alone 2022.

I also totally diasgree that the "violence made him flee" what a bullcrap joke Berz. How many times has Zelensky been forced to flee by Russian violence?​

And did they succeed with their attempt to shell the Donbas for 8 years? Kiev did attack the Donbas with aircraft so the defenders set up anti-aircraft weapons and shot down a civilian airliner by mistake. Iran did that too after Trump murdered that general in Iraq. For me to take Kiev's side I'd have to believe their coup and assault on the east were justified and I dont believe that. This was started by a western backed coup handing right wing nationalists the keys to the kingdom. The coup started the war. The man eastern Ukraine overwhelmingly elected was toppled and the right wing killed protesters. Russia took Crimea in response to the coup. Fortunately for Crimeans they got there before Azov or the Donbas war would have had a southern front.

A Ukrainian negotiator was murdered for treason. What do you think would happen to Zelensky if he tried to end the war? They'd kill him too. Putin knows the US is in charge, Russia could have killed him long ago. But Zelensky did go on a world tour for a couple weeks after that drone attack on the Kremlin. Now you're comparing Zelensky to the guy driven from office by a massacre, the people responsible for that massacre are the bigger threat to Zelensky than Putin.​

[Dinner]

Please provide proof for your hundreds of assets. The majority of the crowd were MAGA.
There is NO PROOF of your Hundreds of government assets.
(and just what the hell is a government asset anyway )

The only real assets there were Trump assets... doing exactly what he told them to do.
They were there because Trump commanded they come... and then commanded them to march on the Capitol.

But I guess in Trump land, the majority of the crowd was liberal assets to make Trump look bad?

FBI admitted it in court when they were arguing to not release the video. They literally said it would expose the identities of between 100-200 agents and confidential sources. That would make them damn near the majority of people who entered the capital on Jan 6th. Just like how they made up 13 of the supposedly 17 people who threatened to kill Witmer. BTW one of the four people they roped into that FBI plot was a literal retarded person. Talk about abusing the disabled.

[Thoth]

I'm sure Russia intercepted them. After all they managed to hit HIMARS hidden on the second floor of some building

Russia has been doing an amazing job of intercepting Ukrainian missiles. Almost 100%. .


However I do have to wonder about the cost effectiveness of using oil storage facilities and ammunition depots to intercept missiles.

[The Mad Monk]

Yes, denazification? So the denazification of Ukraine which we were talking about, we've made Ukraine a nation which everybody knows around the entire world. And, I don't know, it's like the Greeks during the era of Greece's prosperity, like the Romans during the era of...exactly, Ukraine has been legitimized. Ukraine has become a country which is known absolutely everywhere. That's as far as denazification is concerned. Now, as for demilitarization...Painful, yes. If at the start of the special operation they had 500 tanks hypothetically speaking, now they have 5,000 tanks. If 20,000 men were able to fight, now it's 400,000. How have we demilitarized it? It turns out that we've done the opposite.

**** knows how, but we've militarized Ukraine.​

[Ming]

So far it looks like a half dozen 'criminals' and hundreds of assets.

Please provide proof for your hundreds of assets. The majority of the crowd were MAGA.
There is NO PROOF of your Hundreds of government assets.
(and just what the hell is a government asset anyway )

The only real assets there were Trump assets... doing exactly what he told them to do.
They were there because Trump commanded they come... and then commanded them to march on the Capitol.

But I guess in Trump land, the majority of the crowd was liberal assets to make Trump look bad?

[Berzerker]

Silly definition, any government collapse is a coup by that metric. They happen all the time in parliamentary democracies.

Is it a coup if the electorate drive someone out of office?

The definition identifies a small violent group behind the coup

[Berzerker]

compare the number of seditionists to govt assets

[Berzerker]

A handful
Weave their way thru a crowd of govt assets

Can I get some of what you are smoking

We get to compare the number of people convicted of 'sedition' to the number of govt assets at the scene of the crime. So far it looks like a half dozen 'criminals' and hundreds of assets. What were all those defenders of our democracy doing while these enemies of righteousness stole our democracy? They opened doors for them.
The one-eyed guy who just got 18 years never even went inside. Something is seriously wrong with our judicial system, but what should we expect after 16 years and Bush and Obama.

[Berzerker]

You will notice the FBI is still blocking the release of the actual videos of events claiming it would reveal the identity of to many FBI agents and confidential sources. On the record the FBI said they had between 100-200 agents and informants in the house that day. That means a very large percentage of the "insurrectionists" were Feds. Probably most of the instigators were Feds and the video they are hiding would likely prove this. What do you want to bet the people who removed the traffic barriers and opened the doors were Feds?

After the whole set up about Gretchen Witmer where 13 of the supposed 17 "conspirators" were all feds can you really blame anyone for demanding hard evidence?

I can understand the feds wanting to protect the identities of their undercover people but I saw video on TV/internet of capital cops guarding a locked door ushered away by 2 men dressed like protesters. Those guys were not MAGA, they were fed assets opening the door and inviting people in. The Democrats and security state wanted a riot to further attack Trump. Now that takes hutzpah after supporting hundreds of riots before the election to hurt Trump.

BLM 500 > MAGA 1

Camel > gnat

Secret Service had 100-200 but much of that was tied to protecting Trump at his rally, not sure how active they were at the capital. Jan 6 was a scaled up version of the Whitmer fraud, that too was meant to damage Trump. The FBI and security state is rotten to the core and the people responsible get jobs at news stations telling us what to believe.

[pchang]

I would be careful. Extreme paranoia appears to be a major side effect.

[BeBMan]

Someone has leaked crucial info about Patriot systems on the intarweb: