Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[pchang]

Looks like Russia blew the dam by Kherson. Ukraine must have been about to cross the river.

[-Jrabbit]

It's Ukrainian land. You can't blame Ukraine for retaking land from the invaders/occupiers. That's beyond unreasonable. And there is exactly zero reason or excuse to believe that Ukraine troops would endanger Ukrainian schoolchildren.

[-Jrabbit]

So you admit to your war crimes.

[-Jrabbit]

You can't possibly be that naive. Tens of thousands of kids removed, many deep across borders, and your response is to be impressed by the Russian spin on exactly one example -- and a poor spin at that. "Yeah, we took those kids, but trust me, our motives were noble" is not exactly a strong defense for kidnapping.

[Berzerker]

Hopefully without more analogies

[Geronimo]

My 'definition' is about the victims of an 8 year war getting to vote for their freedom and you're comparing them to slave owners? Slavery was not self determination so no, I wouldn't support the south. Your analogy would be better if northern states seceded rather than help perpetuate slavery and they got attacked by the south. That would at least compare the slave owners to the puppet masters feeding Ukrainians to the war machine.

The individual is sovereign and we all have borders. I'm American, the only international rule we have is do what we say. In that phone call with Pyatt and Nuland before the coup when she chose Ukraine's next leader she said f the EU or something to that effect. What international rule says the USA can pick Ukraine's next leader? Or invade Iraq over phony WMD. What international rule says massacring cops and protesters to get rid of sitting leaders has the world's approval? My thought process: the people of the Donbas did not attack Kiev, they protested the coup and Kiev attacked them. Yes and yes... and Tibet. I draw lines where I see right and wrong.

There is so much face palm in this it's going to take a while to respond.

[Berzerker]

So by this definition you would have supported the Confederacy in the US Civil war?

What does sovereignty mean to you? Do borders matter?

Is their a purpose to any international rules?

What exactly does your thought process mean?

Do you support Taiwan unilaterally declaring independence?

What about Quebec?

Where exactly do you draw a line?

Or, do you?

My 'definition' is about the victims of an 8 year war getting to vote for their freedom and you're comparing them to slave owners? Slavery was not self determination so no, I wouldn't support the south. Your analogy would be better if northern states seceded rather than help perpetuate slavery and they got attacked by the south. That would at least compare the slave owners to the puppet masters feeding Ukrainians to the war machine.

The individual is sovereign and we all have borders. I'm American, the only international rule we have is do what we say. In that phone call with Pyatt and Nuland before the coup when she chose Ukraine's next leader she said f the EU or something to that effect. What international rule says the USA can pick Ukraine's next leader? Or invade Iraq over phony WMD. What international rule says massacring cops and protesters to get rid of sitting leaders has the world's approval? My thought process: the people of the Donbas did not attack Kiev, they protested the coup and Kiev attacked them. Yes and yes... and Tibet. I draw lines where I see right and wrong.

[Berzerker]

Ah, so you agree that the ukrainians should have the right to return to Ukraine instead of being occupied by russian forces.

They wont be returning to Ukraine, Kiev torched that bridge in 2014. But yes, if they wanted that it should be up to them.

[PLATO]

I think the people living there should decide their future, not the people attacking them for 8 years.

So by this definition you would have supported the Confederacy in the US Civil war?

What does sovereignty mean to you? Do borders matter?

Is their a purpose to any international rules?

What exactly does your thought process mean?

Do you support Taiwan unilaterally declaring independence?

What about Quebec?

Where exactly do you draw a line?

Or, do you?

[BlackCat]

I think the people living there should decide their future, not the people attacking them for 8 years.

Ah, so you agree that the ukrainians should have the right to return to Ukraine instead of being occupied by russian forces.

[BlackCat]

Another curiosity - why the heck are your comment raised, black, another font size and hidden

[BlackCat]

Is he a debuster?

JM

If you are curious, you can find him here.

[Berzerker]

They haven't received the jets yet. I am sure the next stuff will be munitions for the jets but it doesn't seem Russia will do much. There are good reasons for that.

https://youtu.be/fWKGYnO0Jf4

I skipped ahead a few times and watched the last ~25 minutes. He insists Russia keeps backing down from red lines. Doesn't this war prove otherwise? The guy wants to escalate the war enough to get Russia to give up or something. I didn't watch it all so I dont know who will be the foot soldiers for this escalation or how he defines victory. Does it mean militarily taking Crimea and the Donbas? I think the people living there should decide their future, not the people attacking them for 8 years.

That would indeed be a strategic defeat for Russia, but it aint gonna happen. Russia will take more of the Donbas and perhaps Odesa and a land bridge eastward. When Ukraine's military runs low on bodies for the meat grinder Russia will take even more ground followed by regime change. No way will Putin let Nato stay in control to continue proxy wars.

[Jon Miller]

I hope that the Ukrainian counteroffensive goes gangbusters.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Is he a debuster?

JM