Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dinner]

Well, when you have your underlings hide the evidence and try to prevent the public from learning about it is there any wonder why people want real investigations?

[-Jrabbit]

I am continually amazed at the uncanny ability of our conservative friends to draw firm and unshakeable conclusions from alleged evidence that neither the intelligence community nor any court of law finds even remotely convincing.

Quite remarkable, really.

[Dinner]

That the bribes were paid is beyond doubt or questioning as the banks have confirmed. Biden will no doubt try to claim the millions were given to him and his family for totally unrelated reasons. I personally doubt anyone gives away millions to a politician without wanting something in return.

[Proteus_MST]

And here we see the big difference between Biden and The Former Guy ...
Biden doesn't run around and complain that these trials are politically motivated

[Ming]

Grassley and Scott are starting to back down on their "allegations"
Something about lack of real proof

[Dinner]

A video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/Ha-HJsxLF9A

[Dinner]

I haven't seen it in a reputable new source. If you would like to link?

JM

Is BBC an acceptable source for you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65553168.amp

Here is Fox.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-allegedly-paid-5-million-by-burisma-executive.amp

The Times.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secret-tapes-prove-biden-took-5m-bribe-from-ukrainian-company-7v0zwntfj

NY Post
​​​​https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....-grassley/amp/

[Jon Miller]

It is really amazing what Biden was able to do for 5m in 2015/2016. Move the IMF and various EU statesmen/governments, not even counting all the groups in Ukraine, and news services! Just to hide the corruption that his son was involved in. Unfortunately he wasn't able to convince Obama or Clinton to allow him to run for president or to appear likely to have any power at all post January 2017...

/s

JM

[Jon Miller]

You realize Congress has released the financial transactions on Biden's bribes, right?

I am not sure what you are claiming here either. Congress would have no way to release financial transactions on Biden's bribes, if they exist, unless congress was party to them (a three way bribe?)

Congress could subpoena various parties, and then those parties could release financial transactions. Usually then it would be taken over by a Special Prosecutor or something , to determine guilt and whether a crime occurred, if it appeared to be something like a bribe.

Congress's power of subpoena is based on making law or doing an impeachment.

JM

[Jon Miller]

You realize Congress has released the financial transactions on Biden's bribes, right?

I haven't seen it in a reputable new source. If you would like to link?

JM

[Jon Miller]

I can't read many of these, but

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/europe/political-stability-in-the-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-mps-fire-corruption-tainted-prosecutor/a-19148870

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-prosecutor/ukrainian-chief-prosecutor-back-at-work-despite-resignation-idUSKCN0WI1UA

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-live-blog-events/27261855/lbl1lbi83948.html

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ally-ukrainian-president-accused-meddling-prosecution-181023680--business.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

This is from 2019, but references stories that I can't find right now but I remember (and remembered at the time)

https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

The IMF is named as pushing for Sorkin's removal before Joe stepped in. As were Republican Senators.

BTW, I have been very pleasantly surprised by Joe, but I hadn't been a fan. If it turns out that he accepted a bribe, to do what the IMF and Republican Senators and many other groups in Europe (including Germany) were requesting, I would want a full primary with debates and put someone else up in 2024 (I would want someone other than Kamala).

Still wouldn't hold a candle to what Trump has both been accused of and has evidence in the open for doing.

JM

[Dinner]

You realize Congress has released the financial transactions on Biden's bribes, right?

[Jon Miller]

It was more than Joe and The Atlantic Council. I remember Germany and our other allies in the area had been pressuring the Obama administration to push Shokin out. If Burisma was bribing everyone in the West, that is a lot of money.

Google has been broken for a long time, and back in 2020 I had a hard time finding all the articles I had read about it. But I remembered reading them in 2020 and I remember reading them now.

JM

[Berzerker]

The issue with that story is that, and I remember from when it happened, everyone (in Europe) wanted that corrupt prosecutor gone. If Hunter was asking for the prosecutor to be gone (Which we have no evidence for), so was everyone else, and how can you say that it was corruption for the administration to push for his removal without evidence of that corruption (that not only did Hunter push for it, but that it was Hunter pushing for it and not everyone else pushing for it that caused it to take place)?

JM

Ukraine didn't want to fire him and when you start listing the people who did you'll see a pattern. The Atlantic Council attacked Shokin as corrupt but they got $$$ from Burisma too. The Ukrainian "reformers" wanted Shokin fired because he was investigating them as part of a larger investigation into western money buying 'democracy' in Ukraine, ie bribery, money laundering... our corruption. He was fired a couple days after a court authorized his request to expand an investigation into the money trails we were leaving all over Ukraine.

I saw Shokin interviewed and he testified under oath, he was a humble career bureaucrat with no mansions or fortune. He was just investigating the wrong people and was told by the leader. Think about that, Biden threatened to withhold a billion to fire a prosecutor investigating his son's company but Trump got impeached for using aid to have that investigated.

Burisma didn't limit bribes to the Biden clan and The Atlantic Council so when you say everyone wanted "the corrupt prosecutor" gone you might be apologizing for that down the road. I've heard the same BS you've heard. Dems told us Joe wanted Shokin fired for not investigating Burisma lol. But he was and the owner couldn't return from Russia. Biden met with Burisma in Washington in the spring of '15, I think Shokin was asked to unretire to take the job a couple months before that so he served about a year.

What do you think Burisma was asking Joe for? The owner wanted Joe to keep an eye on Shokin and get rid of him if he became a problem. I'm sure there were other items on the agenda, but Biden did meet with Burisma months before a campaign to get rid of Shokin began. The corruption is staring us in the face and the lying is dependably consistent, believe the opposite till proven otherwise. You will find your list of "everyone" is largely limited to people getting money or power - personal gain - from a friendly relationship with Biden and Obama and their 'donors'.

[Berzerker]

Of course Trump is a self serving hypocrite, Washington is a magnet for such people. But he was pissed at Ukraine for helping Hillary and wanted concessions and that included looking into the people who interfered in our election and their relationship to Joe Biden et al. His personal gain is irrelevant, the Dems have been lying and investigating Trump for years and won the '20 election... Isn't that personal gain? Hell yeah.

But they were lying about Trump, Biden's family was getting millions and he did fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma. If Russia leaked the Dems emails (and thats still a big if) I dont care, the emails were real - evidence of malfeasance and election rigging. The Dems made Marcia Marcia Marcia the story to bury what the emails showed.

It remains to be seen if Trump's document scandal is significantly different from Biden and Hillary to warrant the attention.
I didn't complain about what she did so I cant complain about Trump w/o knowing what both did, but she was accused of
destroying emails and devices. Prosecuting Trump over documents endangers the Dems glass houses.