Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

It was more than Joe and The Atlantic Council. I remember Germany and our other allies in the area had been pressuring the Obama administration to push Shokin out. If Burisma was bribing everyone in the West, that is a lot of money.

Google has been broken for a long time, and back in 2020 I had a hard time finding all the articles I had read about it. But I remembered reading them in 2020 and I remember reading them now.

JM

Does that disqualify Joe and The Atlantic Council? Is that not evidence of a smear campaign against Shokin? You dont have to bribe "everyone", just the right people, like a crooked VP in charge of Ukraine policy. Burisma wasn't the only interest who wanted to get rid of Shokin, the sources of western $$$ under investigation wanted him gone too. So what low level bureaucrats in various govts want to piss off Joe and the billionaire class? Your list of everyone is shrinking down to a select group of powerful crooks pushing a narrative, their friends and allies, and people looking the other way to avoid having their lives destroyed.

The Biden clan gets millions from Burisma
Burisma wants a prosecutor fired
Joe fires the prosecutor

nothing to see here, move along

[Jon Miller]

Wrong. There are verified financial transactions which banks reported based upon subpoenas from Congress, we have two whistleblowers, we have a report which the FBI hide for years with a highly paid informant (confirmed FBI paid him more than $100,000 a year for over a decade) also confirming the bribes and confirming the existence of 17 tapes of the bribery agreement, we have the Biden FBI illegally refusing to turn any of this over to Congress until threatened with personal arrest. They have no turned over one of the reports but with most of it redacted to hide details and refusing to answer any questions about the tapes.

I am sorry but if that isn't something worth investigating then what the hell is? Banks confirmed the money was broken up into small payments, laundered through around 20 fake front corporations the Biden's set up, and all $5 million in Bribes ended up in the hands of members of the Biden crime family. Don't forget that Hunter himself wrote in an email on his laptop that "10% off the top go to the big guy" and "family members hold the money for the big guy".

The links you provided were to accusations. A report by an FBI informant is similar to the Steele dossier, it doesn't mean it is fiction but it also doesn't mean it is true (And it could have both fiction and truth). So most of what you provide above is not verified or confirmed or anything of the sort.

But I also did say It seems like it could be reasonable to have an investigation. If for some reason the DoJ won't do it, which isn't explained by why they wouldn't do it during the Trump administration and there are still many pro-Trump offices of the FBI (and more then), then the path forward for those who think this is worthy of an investigation would be for Congress to press for an independent counsel.

Or to subpoena with eye towards creating a law about the president/potential presidents/vice presidents or impeachment.

Accusations, even reasonable ones like in the Steele dossier, don't mean that much.

JM

[Dinner]

So there is an accusation but no report based on an investigation and no financial transactions of bribery. It seems like it could be reasonable to have an investigation.

JM

Wrong. There are verified financial transactions which banks reported based upon subpoenas from Congress, we have two whistleblowers, we have a report which the FBI hide for years with a highly paid informant (confirmed FBI paid him more than $100,000 a year for over a decade) also confirming the bribes and confirming the existence of 17 tapes of the bribery agreement, we have the Biden FBI illegally refusing to turn any of this over to Congress until threatened with personal arrest. They have no turned over one of the reports but with most of it redacted to hide details and refusing to answer any questions about the tapes.

I am sorry but if that isn't something worth investigating then what the hell is? Banks confirmed the money was broken up into small payments, laundered through around 20 fake front corporations the Biden's set up, and all $5 million in Bribes ended up in the hands of members of the Biden crime family. Don't forget that Hunter himself wrote in an email on his laptop that "10% off the top go to the big guy" and "family members hold the money for the big guy".

[Jon Miller]

So there is an accusation but no report based on an investigation and no financial transactions of bribery. It seems like it could be reasonable to have an investigation.

JM

[Dauphin]

I personally doubt anyone gives away millions to a politician without wanting something in return.

I wouldn't doubt. I would assume they wanted something (now, or later, or for past service) until demonstrated otherwise.

[EPW]

You seem well satisfied with make believe investigations

[Dinner]

Well, when you have your underlings hide the evidence and try to prevent the public from learning about it is there any wonder why people want real investigations?

[-Jrabbit]

I am continually amazed at the uncanny ability of our conservative friends to draw firm and unshakeable conclusions from alleged evidence that neither the intelligence community nor any court of law finds even remotely convincing.

Quite remarkable, really.

[Dinner]

That the bribes were paid is beyond doubt or questioning as the banks have confirmed. Biden will no doubt try to claim the millions were given to him and his family for totally unrelated reasons. I personally doubt anyone gives away millions to a politician without wanting something in return.

[Proteus_MST]

And here we see the big difference between Biden and The Former Guy ...
Biden doesn't run around and complain that these trials are politically motivated

[Ming]

Grassley and Scott are starting to back down on their "allegations"
Something about lack of real proof

[Dinner]

A video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/Ha-HJsxLF9A

[Dinner]

I haven't seen it in a reputable new source. If you would like to link?

JM

Is BBC an acceptable source for you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65553168.amp

Here is Fox.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-allegedly-paid-5-million-by-burisma-executive.amp

The Times.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secret-tapes-prove-biden-took-5m-bribe-from-ukrainian-company-7v0zwntfj

NY Post
​​​​https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....-grassley/amp/

[Jon Miller]

It is really amazing what Biden was able to do for 5m in 2015/2016. Move the IMF and various EU statesmen/governments, not even counting all the groups in Ukraine, and news services! Just to hide the corruption that his son was involved in. Unfortunately he wasn't able to convince Obama or Clinton to allow him to run for president or to appear likely to have any power at all post January 2017...

/s

JM

[Jon Miller]

You realize Congress has released the financial transactions on Biden's bribes, right?

I am not sure what you are claiming here either. Congress would have no way to release financial transactions on Biden's bribes, if they exist, unless congress was party to them (a three way bribe?)

Congress could subpoena various parties, and then those parties could release financial transactions. Usually then it would be taken over by a Special Prosecutor or something , to determine guilt and whether a crime occurred, if it appeared to be something like a bribe.

Congress's power of subpoena is based on making law or doing an impeachment.

JM