Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[pchang]

Would you say that you have stayed in the same place politically, but that the Republican Party moved too far away from you?

[Ming]

I read left and right media and make up my own mind.
Republican voting laws are meant to lower minority voting... Period.
Redistricting to limit minority representation... Fact. Thank god the courts have told them to screw off on occasion.
And the laws they are passing are restricting rights for Americans... women, minorities, gays and anybody else they don't like, simply to play to their base of less educated whites. But heaven forbid they pass basic and smart gun laws.
I was a Republican for most of my life but now I'm really no party, and will vote for people who aren't on the extremes of either party.

[PLATO]

Unfortunately, enough Republicans feel that way... simply look at all the laws they are passing to limit the rights of women and other minorities. The laws they are passing to make it tougher for minorities to vote. Redistricting to minimize minorities votes... They sound like a bunch of Nazi's to me.

You are looking at many of these laws through the biased view of liberal media. You are better than these comments.

[Jon Miller]

Joe Biden was the warmonger's pick in 2020 and in 2016 they chose Hillary. They probably wanted her in 2008 but Obama ran against her support for Biden's invasion of Iraq. The Dem establishment is right wing, pro war, pro censorship, pro merger of corporatism and statism - fascism. I've seen your analogies, making you think is beyond my ability.

If Biden had been on the pro-war/pro-intervention side, he would have kept us in Afghanistan.

He pushed for us to get out of Afghanistan during Obama's administration and then, despite Trump making it a poison pill, actually took us out of Afghanistan in 2021.

JM

[ZEE]

Makes me think Berz might just be an elaborate troll with no sincere posts.

Possibly, but I do not think so. I can say from experience that trolls give minimal effort for maximum results. Let's say for a moment that Berz IS a troll; the amount of time he spends reading all his information from politics to ancient Mesopotamia, and then to make walls of text after walls of text about said topics just to get laughed at and dismissed at best, proves he is a terrible troll. Real trolls can make you snap with 2 posts, one line each, then make YOU post walls of angry text.

So I believe what Berz is saying he actually believes. I do not agree with much of it, but he is actually learned about what he is saying, he just chose a side most find distasteful.

[Berzerker]

Ming if you think the right wingers you describe constitute a plurality of the Republicans you seriously need to recalibrate.


But you're right that it's insane to characterize Biden, serving as a US president nominated by the Democrat party as any kind of "right winger" in a US political context. That's just nuts. Makes me think Berz might just be an elaborate troll with no sincere posts.

Joe Biden was the warmonger's pick in 2020 and in 2016 they chose Hillary. They probably wanted her in 2008 but Obama ran against her support for Biden's invasion of Iraq. The Dem establishment is right wing, pro war, pro censorship, pro merger of corporatism and statism - fascism. I've seen your analogies, making you think is beyond my ability.

[Berzerker]

Okay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/15/russia-ukraine-donbas-donetsk-luhansk-public-opinion/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/02/russians-hunted-down-veterans-of-donbas-conflict-ukraine

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1060586X.2018.1447769?journalCode=rpsa20

The only polls you'll find supporting the special operation in any part of the Donbas are the ones taken at the muzzle of a gun by the Separatists themselves Berz.

I cant access the 1st, the 2nd isn't about 'separatists' or opinion polls, and the 3rd doesn't tell us much of anything. Can you quote these articles? The 3rd said the "article investigates popular opinion in Donbas before armed conflict began, to determine whether the high concentration of ethnic Russians there drove support for separatism." I'm more interested in opinion polls and referendum after the coup and arrival of Azov to attack protesters. Did you read the 3rd link? There is no data, nothing.

Here: "the results of the survey indicate bleak prospects of reintegrating the occupied parts of the Donbas region into Ukraine. The majority of the residents of the occupied Donbas (80.5%) did not wish the “republics” to be reintegrated into Ukraine." - Oct '19

https://krytyka.com/en/articles/perilous-survey-what-new-survey-occupied-donbas

And that was when optimism peaked with the election of the peace candidate Zelensky. Course you know what happened when he told Azov they had to move in accordance with the peace deal, he was chased away with his tail tucked between his legs.

[Berzerker]

I thought RT was censored...democracy and all that

[Ming]

Ming if you think the right wingers you describe constitute a plurality of the Republicans you seriously need to recalibrate.


But you're right that it's insane to characterize Biden, serving as a US president nominated by the Democrat party as any kind of "right winger" in a US political context. That's just nuts. Makes me think Berz might just be an elaborate troll with no sincere posts.

Unfortunately, enough Republicans feel that way... simply look at all the laws they are passing to limit the rights of women and other minorities. The laws they are passing to make it tougher for minorities to vote. Redistricting to minimize minorities votes... They sound like a bunch of Nazi's to me.

[Geronimo]

More made up crap. Total opinion.
Biden... a right winger....
Where do you find this crap
The true right wingers are the Repubs, and their desire to limit freedoms for ALL types of minorities. If you aren't white, they don't give a damn about you and don't want you to vote.
They are Nazis and want straight white people to rule while limiting EVERYBODY ELSE.
They have put America second in their push to limit individual freedoms.

Ming if you think the right wingers you describe constitute a plurality of the Republicans you seriously need to recalibrate.


But you're right that it's insane to characterize Biden, serving as a US president nominated by the Democrat party as any kind of "right winger" in a US political context. That's just nuts. Makes me think Berz might just be an elaborate troll with no sincere posts.

[Geronimo]

lets ask the people of the Donbas.

Okay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/15/russia-ukraine-donbas-donetsk-luhansk-public-opinion/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/02/russians-hunted-down-veterans-of-donbas-conflict-ukraine

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1060586X.2018.1447769?journalCode=rpsa20

The only polls you'll find supporting the special operation in any part of the Donbas are the ones taken at the muzzle of a gun by the Separatists themselves Berz.

[Geronimo]

Bullcrap. Read it again. it was Moscow installed FSB agent Igor Girkin begging Moscow for more help.

[BeBMan]

Putin explaining quantum fizzics:

Kolesnikov also asked Putin if Wagner Group would remain “as a combat unit.” To this, the Russian president replied that Wagner Group does not exist, as Russia has no law on private military organizations.

“We don’t have a law on private military organizations! It simply does not exist! <…> The group exists, but legally it does not exist! This is a separate issue related to actual legalization. But this is a question that should be discussed in the State Duma, in the government. It’s not an easy question,” Putin added.

Wagner is Schroedingers Mercs.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/07/14/putin-says-wagner-group-no-longer-legally-exists

[Berzerker]

lets ask the people of the Donbas

[-Jrabbit]

More steaming excrement. Kiev literally cannot invade the Donbas -- IT'S THEIRS ALREADY.