Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[pchang]

I sense a business opportunity for those willing to impregnate Russian criminals.

[BeBMan]

https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-air.../32687364.html

Thanks

[Geronimo]

Well no, that is not it. Obama destroyed Libya and shipped their weapons around to various proxies (no surprise surrounding countries saw more violence). Turkey became the main conduit for weapons into N Syria and when this program was active ISIS conquered half of Syria. When asked about arming terrorists Obama said they were moderate rebels and reporters went back to sleep. Trump ended the policy (and Mad Dog Mattis resigned) and within a year ISIS had lost virtually all its territory. Now for some reason you interpret Jake's comment to Hillary about AQ on our side as nothing at all. I see it as proof we helped AQ because they're on our side and ISIS took half the country under Obama's tutelage. I'd be defensive too if I voted for war criminals.

that makes absolutely no sense. None of it. Since you won't accept any analogies I'm not sure how to show you that your logic it's demonstrably invalid. Maybe i'll just leave you to believe that there is a 1:1 relation between the success of our declared enemies and how much funding we give to them.

[Berzerker]

February 12, 2012 - An email from Jake Sullivan to Hillary: 'Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria' - The Clinton Foundation Timeline

That's it isn't it? How the hell does it make more sense to imagine that Jake meant to say that the US was arming and supplying ISIL and planned to do so in the future rather than expressing satisfaction that one of the US enemies was publicly declaring hostility to another of its enemies? It's not hard to tell. read the damn email. There is nothing whatsoever besides taking the phrase totally out of context to support your assertion that the US funneled arms to ISIL but that fits your narrative so you run with it and spam it out into every other conversation about the topic.

Well no, that is not it. Obama destroyed Libya and shipped their weapons around to various proxies (no surprise surrounding countries saw more violence). Turkey became the main conduit for weapons into N Syria and when this program was active ISIS conquered half of Syria. When asked about arming terrorists Obama said they were moderate rebels and reporters went back to sleep. Trump ended the policy (and Mad Dog Mattis resigned) and within a year ISIS had lost virtually all its territory. Now for some reason you interpret Jake's comment to Hillary about AQ on our side as nothing at all. I see it as proof we helped AQ because they're on our side and ISIS took half the country under Obama's tutelage. I'd be defensive too if I voted for war criminals.

[Berzerker]

Hmm... I'm not one to throw accusations of treason around lightly given its limited definition in our constitution, but the USA declared war on terrorism and Obama and Biden were arming the terrorists.

[Berzerker]

then why did Putin spend 8 years trying to avoid this 'land grab'?

[pchang]

https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-air-force-commander-dead/32687364.html

[BeBMan]

Haven't heard about something with generals recently, what is it referring to?

[pchang]

Ukraine army is so good, they now kill retired generals (as long as they criticize the Russian Air Force.

[BlackCat]

Yep, the danish word for it is "frontudretning", an euphemism for "that pesky enemy has yet again made holes in our nice frontline - lets use a nicer word than retreat/flee from them so we can get a straight and orderly front again" - ordnung muß sein

[BeBMan]

Russia news/propaganda appears to be in disarray. Retreat from Kherson: did they or didn't they?

Russia does nevah retreat! At best it does regroup.

Does anybody know the term Frontbegradigung? It became very popular in 1944-45, albeit with a special meaning....

[Geronimo]

I think the email was from Jake Sullivan to Hillary and he said AQ was on our side in Syria. But lets recap what happened, we destroyed Libya and shipped their weapons to Ukraine and Turkey to arm Azov and ISIS. Our ambassador was killed at one of our shipping points at Benghazi and Hillary blamed a Florida preacher for the deaths. So that was back around 2014 and ISIS spent the next 2-3 years taking half of Syria. Trump shut off the weapons in 2017 and ISIS was effectively gone within months.

"AQ is on our side in Syria"

We armed terrorists to destroy Syria. What evidence do you have showing this didn't happen? Barack said they were moderate rebels, no really.

February 12, 2012 - An email from Jake Sullivan to Hillary: 'Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria' - The Clinton Foundation Timeline

That's it isn't it? How the hell does it make more sense to imagine that Jake meant to say that the US was arming and supplying ISIL and planned to do so in the future rather than expressing satisfaction that one of the US enemies was publicly declaring hostility to another of its enemies? It's not hard to tell. read the damn email. There is nothing whatsoever besides taking the phrase totally out of context to support your assertion that the US funneled arms to ISIL but that fits your narrative so you run with it and spam it out into every other conversation about the topic.

[pchang]

Russia news/propaganda appears to be in disarray. Retreat from Kherson: did they or didn't they?

[Ming]

You still haven't addressed the Russia just defending the people BS. He doesn't give a rats ass about them, as can be seen by the results.
It was a Empire Grab pure and simple, but keep trying to paint Russia as the saviors. Tell that to all the dead.

[Berzerker]

When did they arm Nazis to kill Ukrainians? When they crowdfunded Azov and all of the other crowdfunded Ukrainian government licensed "volunteer" formations? If that counts as "to kill Ukrainians" does that mean that all weapons funded anywhere are "to kill group x"? US support of Israel is "to kill Palestinians"? Who is US military support of Egypt supposed to kill?

Do you understand that weapons are just as capable of saving the lives of their recipients as they are of killing the recipients neighbors? Do you understand that since Putin's invasion several previously Russian occupied towns have been liberated in which there are months of burials of thousands of Ukrainians who didn't have any US provided weapons anywhere near them when they were killed? You can't say the same for the Donbas Berz. There the quantity of Russian provided arms everywhere has been extremely high.

The US helped fund Ukraine's paramilitaries post Russian annexation of Crimes and post Russian massive arms shipments to the Donbas. If those arms were intended to kill anyone it was Russian invaders. Do you have one sliver of evidence that the US hoped they would be used to kill Ukrainians? One scintilla of evidence that they weren't intended to deter killing?

Nobody armed Nazis to kill Ukrainians. If you want to endlessly spam that they did show us the evidence Berz.

2014-present... Possibly before, I find it hard to believe we weren't arming Ukraine before the coup but they'll admit to Timber Sycamore beginning back around the time Jake Sullivan was telling Hillary Al Qaeda was on our side in Syria. We had all these Libyan weapons to help our various proxies so what was a good neighbor to do? Thats what our ambassador was doing at Benghazi, shipping weapons to Azov and ISIS (among other fine people). Aint we wonderful? The USA waging a war on terrorism is about as hypocritical and laughable as the USA waging a war on drugs, we're 2nd to no one.

It means we armed Azov to kill protesters and thats what they did with our blessing. Kiev sent a Nazi army backed by the USA to kill Ukrainians. I understand not to trust claims coming from Kiev and Washington. But since those towns were fought over for years I'd expect mass burials. As for no US weapons, we were shipping weapons from Libya and other sources. The people of the Donbas were attacked by Azov and they defended themselves.True or false? If false, why?