Things that limit Americans right to vote are bad.
If all the ways to vote that had a potential for fraud were closed, there would be no votes since every form of voting is subject to fraud.
I don't know how limiting access to voting is a benefit to the voters.
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Originally posted by Ming View PostThey are making it more difficult to vote by limiting mail in ballots, eliminating drop boxes, limiting the number of polling stations,
All these things help make it easier to vote for working and poor Americans.
In a perfect world, EVERY AMERICAN would vote.
Unfortunately, the US has terrible voting participation. And they just want to make it worse.
And it's minorities and poor people that the Repubs are trying to stop from voting.
They keep claiming election security as the reason, but that's all BS.
They have yet to prove (and they have tried repeatedly) that these forms of voting are more prone to voter fraud.
There was No wide spread fraud in the last election... but they keep claiming there was with NO PROOF, so they can make it harder for people (mostly Democrats) to vote.
Paper ballots are just as easy to cheat with as any other form of voting.
Trump was aware of this but only paid it any notice when he wasn't getting enough electoral college votes to win. The fact is a lot of this opportunity existed in 2016 as well and never seemed interested in combatting opportunity for fraud that may have occurred in *that* election let alone ever openly speculated on the implications such undetected 2016 voter fraud would have had for the legitimacy of his election.
The problem is obviously that republicans and democrats seem ok with fraud when they think it will help them but want to stamp it out and close the door to fraud if they think it will help their opposition.
undetectable scalable election fraud loopholes such as Harry Wait demonstrated are extremely dangerous. I get frustrated as hell when people respond that because nobody was caught committing such scalable undetectable voter fraud except for the guy that published his success at doing so that this serves as some kind of evidence that the elections are largely safe from fraud.
When republicans cynically propose only fraud remedies that they statistically expect to help them win I certainly share your contempt for that cynicism. However, that does not mean voters won't benefit to the extent that *any* viable fraud loopholes are closed.
I just wish efforts would apply at least a little Failure Modes and Effects Analysis from the point of view of the electorate as the consumer instead of pure partisan game theory.
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They are making it more difficult to vote by limiting mail in ballots, eliminating drop boxes, limiting the number of polling stations,
All these things help make it easier to vote for working and poor Americans.
In a perfect world, EVERY AMERICAN would vote.
Unfortunately, the US has terrible voting participation. And they just want to make it worse.
And it's minorities and poor people that the Repubs are trying to stop from voting.
They keep claiming election security as the reason, but that's all BS.
They have yet to prove (and they have tried repeatedly) that these forms of voting are more prone to voter fraud.
There was No wide spread fraud in the last election... but they keep claiming there was with NO PROOF, so they can make it harder for people (mostly Democrats) to vote.
Paper ballots are just as easy to cheat with as any other form of voting.
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Originally posted by Ming View PostSo true... the Republican party is now the party of insults, revenge, no real issues, limiting rights of women and minorities, and making it more difficult for AMERICANS to vote.
I want no part of that White supremacy nonsense.
Specifically which difficulties they have advocated are bothering you?
Remember Harry Wait in Wisconsin arrested for voter fraud?
"I’d do the same thing again. It’s necessary to save our republic. We’re hanging on a thread," he told FOX6 when asked if he regrets what he did.
He was only caught because he published his crime to make a point.
Election fraud is dismissed because of so few violations of existing laws being prosecuted. That's not evidence of lack of fraud. That can instead merely be evidence of lack of evidence. Many kinds of fraud would not be expected to leave any evidence.
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Would you say that you have stayed in the same place politically, but that the Republican Party moved too far away from you?
I want no part of that White supremacy nonsense.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
If Biden had been on the pro-war/pro-intervention side, he would have kept us in Afghanistan.
He pushed for us to get out of Afghanistan during Obama's administration and then, despite Trump making it a poison pill, actually took us out of Afghanistan in 2021.
JM
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I read left and right media and make up my own mind.
Republican voting laws are meant to lower minority voting... Period.
Redistricting to limit minority representation... Fact. Thank god the courts have told them to screw off on occasion.
And the laws they are passing are restricting rights for Americans... women, minorities, gays and anybody else they don't like, simply to play to their base of less educated whites. But heaven forbid they pass basic and smart gun laws.
I was a Republican for most of my life but now I'm really no party, and will vote for people who aren't on the extremes of either party.
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Originally posted by Ming View Post
Unfortunately, enough Republicans feel that way... simply look at all the laws they are passing to limit the rights of women and other minorities. The laws they are passing to make it tougher for minorities to vote. Redistricting to minimize minorities votes... They sound like a bunch of Nazi's to me.
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Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
Joe Biden was the warmonger's pick in 2020 and in 2016 they chose Hillary. They probably wanted her in 2008 but Obama ran against her support for Biden's invasion of Iraq. The Dem establishment is right wing, pro war, pro censorship, pro merger of corporatism and statism - fascism. I've seen your analogies, making you think is beyond my ability.
He pushed for us to get out of Afghanistan during Obama's administration and then, despite Trump making it a poison pill, actually took us out of Afghanistan in 2021.
JM
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Originally posted by Geronimo View PostMakes me think Berz might just be an elaborate troll with no sincere posts.
So I believe what Berz is saying he actually believes. I do not agree with much of it, but he is actually learned about what he is saying, he just chose a side most find distasteful.
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Originally posted by Geronimo View Post
Ming if you think the right wingers you describe constitute a plurality of the Republicans you seriously need to recalibrate.
But you're right that it's insane to characterize Biden, serving as a US president nominated by the Democrat party as any kind of "right winger" in a US political context. That's just nuts. Makes me think Berz might just be an elaborate troll with no sincere posts.
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Originally posted by Geronimo View Post
Okay.
Exclusive: Ukrainians who fought against separatists tell of kidnap and torture by invaders; the fate of hundreds of others is a mystery
The only polls you'll find supporting the special operation in any part of the Donbas are the ones taken at the muzzle of a gun by the Separatists themselves Berz.
Here: "the results of the survey indicate bleak prospects of reintegrating the occupied parts of the Donbas region into Ukraine. The majority of the residents of the occupied Donbas (80.5%) did not wish the “republics” to be reintegrated into Ukraine." - Oct '19
If the results can be taken at face value, the survey indicates that Ukraine might have lost the hearts and minds of the people residing in the DPR and LPR. Further efforts at collecting reliable public opinion data are critical to strategizing short- and long-term solutions for the region. The survey under discussion was one such attempt. Yet the challenges with conducting public opinion surveys in occupied territories might have tainted the survey’s reliability.
And that was when optimism peaked with the election of the peace candidate Zelensky. Course you know what happened when he told Azov they had to move in accordance with the peace deal, he was chased away with his tail tucked between his legs.
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