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  • What's next, taking T-34s from the monuments? Upgraded with those funny wire cages on turret roofs because they r e a l l y made all the difference.
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    • Originally posted by BeBMan View Post
      What's next, taking T-34s from the monuments? Upgraded with those funny wire cages on turret roofs because they r e a l l y made all the difference.
      Well...they did build over 84,000 T-34s. Ya never know!
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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        • Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
          Then why did they agree to Minsk? About a 1/3rd voted for independence and a small majority voted for a Minsk-like deal
          This dates from 09Feb2022. Already it was recognized that Russia was sabotaging Minsk as a peace process. Especially note the section regarding "‘Minsk conundrum"
          France’s Macron says the 2015 ceasefire deal between Kyiv and Moscow offers a ‘path’ to peace.

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          • Originally posted by Geronimo View Post

            This dates from 09Feb2022. Already it was recognized that Russia was sabotaging Minsk as a peace process. Especially note the section regarding "‘Minsk conundrum"
            Your link doesn't say Russia sabotaged Minsk, they wanted to ensure Ukraine would remain neutral.

            'Moscow may see Minsk II as a way to guarantee its central security demand – that Ukraine is never allowed to join NATO. Washington and NATO have already rejected that demand.'

            We were telling Zelensky to lie about that, we told him to tell the world Nato membership was a possibility. Shortly before Russia attacked Kamala went over there to praise Ukraine's effort to join Nato.

            In Feb '14 Sen Chris Murphy went on C-SPAN after the coup and admitted we sanctioned Ukraine and helped topple the government. We weren't passive bystanders, he was taking credit for regime change. He dismissed the possibility Russia would seize Crimea in response. Then a caller asked why we were trying to topple the democratically elected leader, Murphy said the US doesn't do that, we like democracy. But in this case Ukraine's govt lost legitimacy because it used force against violent protests when it was in fact a coup. As if all the other govts we support are beacons of civil rights, like Saudi Arabia.

            Jen Psaki told the WH press corp we dont interfere in democratically elected govts. In disbelief a reporter asked how she can make that claim given our track record in Latin America. She repeated the lie and dismissed his question. These are sociopaths, they dont care when we destroy countries.

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            • Berzerker
              Berzerker commented
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              correction, Washington and Nato may have rejected Russia's demand Ukraine stay out of Nato, not that Ukraine couldn't join.

            • BeBMan
              BeBMan commented
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              Are you saying Ukraine does not have a right to choose what alliance it wants to be part of?

            • Berzerker
              Berzerker commented
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              Are you saying neo-Nazis have the right to shoot cops and protesters to topple the democratically elected leader? Even the coup government agreed to Minsk, they were over ruled by Azov and the USA.

          • Seems as though Prigozhn has flown too close to the sun and his wings are melting.
            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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            • Let's see what kind of future he has after he burnt through most of the prison-recruited manpower of Wagner...but maybe he finds another source.

              I haven't heard in a long time about those 30000 Syrians that were supposed to fight for Putin...
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              • Russian propagandists moved on to threats to form a tank division formed from T-34 tanks
                I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
                Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
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                  • Interesting
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                    • To be honest, I was sympathetic to Russia taking Crimea. And I understood the real politic of Russia's actions in the east, although I opposed them. But Russia's invasion last year was completely out of line, and not at all defensible. And I am now sympathetic to Ukraine on Crimea and Reparations, and Donbas is clear.

                      JM
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                      • Back in 2014 I recall saying that "Crimea should probably be Russian, but not like this." At this point it would be hard to say that any area should be ruled by Putin. Russia probably could have negotiated Crimea away from Ukraine with some heavy incentives before they took it. Now though, I fully support Ukraine retaking Crimea as well as the Donbas. Here is hoping they are capable.
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • Berzerker
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                          The people in those regions didn't support the coup, so will you support their removal?

                        • Geronimo
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                          Has anyone been removed anywhere at all in Ukraine? Oh that's right, Putin removed 30,000 children from their parents that must be the removal you mean. No I daresay Plato doesn't want Putin removing the children from Crimea.

                        • PLATO
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                          Geronimo has it right. Nor do i support removing Democrats from Alabama or Republicans from New York. What a wonky question

                      • I think the NHL's Winnipeg Jets (my hometeam) should hire Putin as a center. Every time Putin plays hockey, he scores 7 to 10 goals, and the Jets are in a bit of a slump. Also I suspect many of the non-Russian players, may accidentally check him rather hard, or accidentally hit him in the head with slapshots. I mean it's been almost 20 years since the Bertuzzi incident - time for a Putin incident?
                        There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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                        • Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                          At this point it would be hard to say that any area should be ruled by Putin.
                          Including Russia.

                          JM
                          Jon Miller-
                          I AM.CANADIAN
                          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                          • Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                            Russia probably could have negotiated Crimea away from Ukraine with some heavy incentives before they took it.
                            If he played it smarter in the early 2000s I think so, yes. Edit: back then they probably also thought in Russia that neighbouring ex-Soviet states will always remain under Russian influence anyway.

                            But that's not who he is, and a peaceful settlement would not have been benefitial to his strongman image as much, which he's relying on domestically.

                            Now with full scale war he has shot himself in the foot, and Ukrainian bravery and Western santions/help will shoot him in the other.
                            Last edited by BeBMan; March 28, 2023, 06:08. Reason: yup
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