Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Egbert]

When is attempting to make such a distinction actually helpful to explain anything?

could you clarify the difference between observing a possible motive and observing an actual motive?

You are speculating about motives.

I am finished with this conversation.

[pchang]

It's a race to the bottom. Will Russia run out of men before Ukraine runs out of bullets or vice versa?

[Geronimo]

I can't fathom why Ukraine's allies all thought they could wait until late autumn or even right now to start placing new ammunition production orders. Especially given that every one one of them started off with far less ammunition than their defence plans required for almost anything that might happen.

[Dinner]

Yes, they seem to really have been sitting on their butts and waiting until things got very bad before they bothered to act. France was the only one to even modestly start increasing production at the beginning of the war.

[Serb]

Countries don't have a gender in English unless you're engaging in personification.

So, it is "it" in general?

[-Jrabbit]

Yes, it is.

[Serb]

You believe that crap about the US using bio-weapons in Vietnam?

The USSR was also accused of using biological weapons. Supposedly, the Soviet Union supplied biological weapons, mainly fungal toxins (Mycotoxins) to government forces, to kill dissident tribal people and enemy soldiers in Laos, Cambodia, and Afghanistan. It was claimed that the US had obtained good evidence that in addition to a traditional lethal chemical agent, three potent Mycotoxins had been used. The evidence came from the analysis of leaf and stem samples from Cambodia which revealed the use of high levels of mycotoxins. The levels detected were up to twenty times greater than any natural outbreak. Between 1979 and 1981 there were a lot more reports of incidents in which fungal toxins were being used against Laotians and Cambodian villagers.

Two major publications on mycotoxin weapons were issued by the US State Department in 1982. The first report referred to 261 separate attacks in Laos in which 6,504 deaths are alleged to have occurred and 124 attacks in Cambodia causing the death of some 981 persons. The second report issued by the US State Department alleged the use of mycotoxins and provided the results of analyses on blood and urine samples obtained from the victims. By analysis of two contaminated Soviet gas masks acquired from Afghanistan the evidence of mycotoxins use was confirmed. Casualties caused by mycotoxins use are not known in Afghanistan.

As for chemical weapons, according to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), this can be any chemical compound intended as a weapon or its precursor that can cause death, injury, temporary incapacitation or sensory irritation through its chemical action. Even by that broad definition agent orange was not a chemical weapon. It was a noxiously dangerous insidious substance, but its harm was incidental to its use not by any stretch the motive or primary effect of its use. . Not generally how weapons are used eh?

Agent Orange is the Chemical weapon!
There are generations of handicaped childs born due YOU using Agent Orange on their parents.
You left a deadly trace in Vietnam, even after you leaft.

Question for you Serb. Would the truth or falseness of any of these bioweapon or chemical weapon accusations (none of which are confirmed) have any relevance to the defensibility of a massive special operation against Ukraine?

It's Ukranians who are using chemical weapons, not us.

https://tass.com/politics/1571701

The US military routinely exposed its own personal as much Agent orange as they did "the enemy"

Oh, Yeah!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_Lai_massacre

YOUR MOTHERF+CKERS have slaughterred about 500 civilians, including elders, women, children and BABIES and the punishment for that was a three years long house arrest for a single persone!


You are a fkn murderes and Nazis!


Keep spreading your lies for all you care!!!

You are Empire of Lies!

BURN IN HELL!!!

[pchang]

Biological weapons and chemical weapons mean different things in English.

[Serb]

Obviously, the media where you live is claiming that the Ukrainian state was pursuing genocide of ethnic Russians. Why do you believe this?

Because I belive my own eyes!
They don't show you the mother's cries. They don't show you slaughtered childred.

Does that make any sense? If Zelensky were living in the Donbass from 2014 to 2022 would he have been a target of the genocide campaign? He was elected president of Ukraine however. Isn't that odd? Wouldn't that be like a Jew being elected Chancellor in the Third Reich?

The Ukranian national hero is Bandera, the collbrationist of Hitler. He and his followers are war crinimals and Hitler's and proven collabrationists condemned by the Nurenberg trial for them slaughtering hundrends of thousands of of Russians, Poles and Jews. Now he is officially a HERO OF UKRAINE with dozens of streets named after him and dozends of monuments erected after him!

You have doubtless been shown tons of video footage of Ukrainians expressing hate and resentment towards Russia. The Holodomor is living memory. Russia has never stopped trying to strongarm Ukraine. It would use carrot and stick but there was always a stick. That's precisely the kind of environment in which those kinds of over-the-top expressions of hate proliferate. This expression of resentment is a Hell of a long way from endorsing genocide of an ethnicity in their own country and even further from possessing the power to pursue such a goal. Again, how in the hell would a Russian-as-first-language speaker ever get elected to power in a state where it was possible to implement genocide of Russian speakers as state policy?

Zelensky was elected as a persident of peace, He had promised to re-unite Ukrine and Donbass by fullfilling the Minsk agreement.
But he lied!
He didn't fulfill a single promise he gave, while he was electing.

He did EXACTLY the opposite of his election promises!!!

Also, you like how Russia handled Chechnya. You look at the shiny new buildings and say "Isn't this great?! Look at what Russia has done for Chechnya!". Upwards of 250,000 civilians died in Chechnya.

I've never say so.

Million+ of Irqis died in Iraq and it's still a sh!thole.

After 20 years afterf of YOUR invasion under a false claim, you have killed over a million of civilians there and left nothing there, when you run between the tail between your legs.

So, who the f#ck are you to lecture us about Grozny?



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2005/...-killed-300000

The entire Republic has a population of barely 1.5 million people Serb!

You are endorsing a formula of action in Ukraine which would predict 6 to 7 million civilian deaths as a laudable response to a claimed total of 14,000 Ukrainian ethnic Russians.

How is that not sick and depraved? [/QUOTE]

We protect our people, whom your you and your puppet were slaughtering during 8 years.


Enough is enough!!!

[Serb]

Still not back to it's 1989 population numbers.

Ukraine can't return to it's 1989 GDP numbers.

As for Chechnya:

Mosul:

[Dauphin]

So, it is "it" in general?

If some asked 'Is Russia a great country?', you say 'Yes it is',

But you can also say

'Russia is a proud country, and like any bear you should not poke her' or 'We call the US Uncle Sam, and he is one son of a *****'. (because you have used a zoomorphism/anthropomorphism/personification)

Saying 'Yes she is' to the first question would imply a strong sense of attachment, admiration or endearment similar to as if you refer to your car as a purring beauty, or you are a ship crewmen or captain you would probably refer to the ship as her. You are making 'her' more than simply a thing but a living breathing object.

[Serb]

It is true story.
Some Russian civilians on Donbass territory were hiding in a basement and heard:
- Allahu Akbar!!!
- Thanks God! Ours have came!

[pchang]

Probably Chechens

[Serb]

20 years after, Chechens are the most fierce RUSSIAN fighters!
Our Muslim brothers in arms!

[Serb]

Indeed keeping the war going, and hoping that support for Ukraine dries up seems to be their game now.

On the ground they don't seem to learn much from previous mistakes tho. Recently they reported a gain of 2km in four days as some kind of an improvement. This would be 500m/day on average. In other words with human wave attacks and arty barrages Russia is basically reenacting WW I

Otoh mechanized assaults like that one recently at Vuledar ended in heavy losses, even Pro-Russian commentators are saying this.

Oh, boy!
I wonder what would you says when:
1) We make a demonstrative nuclear launch over Europe.
2) How deep would you suck when we will wave our banner over Reichstag AGAIN!!!

[Serb]

Even now I can't see ruling out the possibility. Ukraine's astonishing success is based on a huge variety of lucky breaks, fragile strengths and unreliable advantages.

That "astonishing success" exist only in your brainwashing media.

[Serb]

I wonder if they are applying any sort of quick upgrade package or if they are just being sent as RPG fodder? I doubt ukraine will waste modern anti tank systems on t‐62s.

Seems like an outburst of the common sense!

[My Wife Hates CIV]

the only question left is how will russia exit itself from this mess. a hole putin has dug himself.... one might say he has dug his own grave. and serb, dont be so offended by comments like this. it's bad leadership that is the reason for this failure. the average russian has nothing to do with these bad choices. the average russian is what makes russia great.