Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[PLATO]

What should NATO do?
Fire missiles at Russian soil in return?

If the launchers were on occupied territory, then NATO should take them out and nothing more. If they are on Russian territory, then NATO should take out a couple of random launchers that are on Occupied territory. At the same time, they need to make sure Russia knows that this is only tit for tat and no further attack will take place unless they escalate. Anything less and the West "Defend every inch" comment loses legitimacy.

[Geronimo]

If the launchers were on occupied territory, then NATO should take them out and nothing more. If they are on Russian territory, then NATO should take out a couple of random launchers that are on Occupied territory. At the same time, they need to make sure Russia knows that this is only tit for tat and no further attack will take place unless they escalate. Anything less and the West "Defend every inch" comment loses legitimacy.

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[EPW]

What are the chances that two "stray" missiles hit a grain solo and kill two people? Not good right?

[self biased]

they may have been misfired missiles from Ukraine, or strays that were aimed at Russian missiles.

https://twitter.com/PanasukPetr/stat...01196564738051

[EPW]

Good call

[EPW]

But surely NATO has the ability to track all these missiles with precision? Poland is acting like they came for Russia.

[Dinner]

Just read that Russian missiles strayed into Poland and killed two people. This could get ugly fast.

Supposedly it hit at or near a "grain drying facility" during the single largest missile barrage of the entire war. Russia has had to pull out some positively ancient missiles from storage. We are talking 1960's vintage missiles which were not accurate to begin with and now they are 60 years old without being properly stored. I could easily see this being a stray missile which malfunctioned.

I don't know though as we only have one report so I guess we will have to wait for more information..

[PLATO]

they may have been misfired missiles from Ukraine, or strays that were aimed at Russian missiles.

https://twitter.com/PanasukPetr/stat...01196564738051

I doubt the Ukrainians fired backwards. Most likely Dinner has it right and these were ancient pieces of crap. Nonetheless, it is Russia's responsibility to make sure that their weapons don't kill NATO country citizens on a NATO country's territory. They need to be reminded of that apparently.

[Broken_Erika]

I doubt the Ukrainians fired backwards. Most likely Dinner has it right and these were ancient pieces of crap. Nonetheless, it is Russia's responsibility to make sure that their weapons don't kill NATO country citizens on a NATO country's territory. They need to be reminded of that apparently.

Apparently, another missile Russia fired hit a russian city killing 4 and wounding 6 outside a pharmacy

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yw7skn/at_least_one_russian_cruise_missile_from_todays/?ref=share&ref_source=embed&utm_content=title&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=bb75140829ca47d09659717f473ae84c&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=yw7skn

[PLATO]

Own goal?

[Dinner]

It is sounding more and more that Russia is just firing ancient crap which malfunctions because that is all they have.

[EPW]

One missile malfunctioning, sure. But two at the same time to the same location? No way. A targeting error perhaps, but not a malfunction.

[PLATO]

Good Point!

[N35t0r]

Two out of two? Yes.

Two out of a couple hundred, when, as Oerdin mentions, they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel? More likely.

There was a video of Ukraine capturing a vintage T-62. Not modernized. No ERA.

[Proteus_MST]

One missile malfunctioning, sure. But two at the same time to the same location? No way. A targeting error perhaps, but not a malfunction.

According to all I read, there was an ukrainian power station 20 kms away, which might have been the target of the missiles

[PLATO]

So I guess the real question is: Does it really matter if an attack on NATO was an accident in this case? How do you make sure it doesn't happen again? I think NATO has to respond. Russia just killed two Polish citizens on Polish territory. To let that pass without a cost allows Russia to assume that "accidents" are forgivable. I doubt those dead folks family feel that way...and NATO shouldn't either.

[Berzerker]

It would have mattered had Ukraine been a member, but not because of an errant missile in Poland. I think nato has already done enough, time we claim victory in the cold war and stop effing with people.

[PLATO]

Poland "contemplating" invoking Article 4 of the NATO Treaty.

Article 4:

The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

[Dauphin]

I don’t expect any military response.

More equipment or troops redeployed to Poland is all I see.

[N35t0r]

I would love it if NATO extended AA defense 3-400 km deep into Ukraine, 'to prevent possible future stray missiles'.

They could send longer ranged HIMARS missiles and tanks and F-16s as well.

[BeBMan]

Whatever is decided should not interfere with Russia losing in Ukraine too much.