Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[N35t0r]

Do you get snow most years?

Back in Argentina, I lived in Buenos Aires where it has snowed twice in recorded history, only a cm or so. Last Feb I was at my in-laws', about 300km further north so no snow ever.

Over here it used to snow consistently (at least that's what they tell me), but there hadn't been consistent snow cover for more than a couple of days since a long while ago until the winter before last (when we got here), and we had a full month of snow cover.

Last winter there were some days it snowed, but nothing that lasted for long.

It seems like this winter it will also be mild (it did snow last weekend, but also only a cm or two, didn't last much).

[BlackCat]

This will probably make Serb cry. Oh, and she have wonderful dry humor

[BeBMan]

We don't hear much about hypersonic missiles these days anymore. People were not sufficiently impressed, I'm afraid

[N35t0r]

We thought they meant they had missiles that can travel at several times the apples of sound, but in the end they were just missiles that make a lot of noise.

[PLATO]

We thought they meant they had missiles that can travel at several times the apples of sound, but in the end they were just missiles that make a lot of noise.

And had performance and guidance issues to boot!

[BlackCat]

This is a bit interesting (at least for me) - it looks like the Ukrainian army has gotten some 105 mm howitzers of the same type I carried around back in 79 (there was a production year on it - 1943 )

[BeBMan]

In 10 yrs Ukraine will use hypersonic tractors to pull'em across the landscape

[Dinner]

This is a bit interesting (at least for me) - it looks like the Ukrainian army has gotten some 105 mm howitzers of the same type I carried around back in 79 (there was a production year on it - 1943 )

Towed artillery is pretty out of date and can only really be used if the other side doesn't have effective modern counter battery fire systems. Motorized artillery, so you can shoot and scoot, is really the only sustainable was to go on the modern battlefield.

[BlackCat]

Towed artillery is pretty out of date and can only really be used if the other side doesn't have effective modern counter battery fire systems. Motorized artillery, so you can shoot and scoot, is really the only sustainable was to go on the modern battlefield.

The shoot and scoot time for towed and motorized units are close to each other. The real difference is that the motorized thingy are faster to deploy and have better targeting equipment.

[BlackCat]

Ah, more Puck stuff to put into your throats :

[PLATO]

The shoot and scoot time for towed and motorized units are close to each other. The real difference is that the motorized thingy are faster to deploy and have better targeting equipment.

Wiki shows about 2.5 minutes for setup and same for moving out for M777. It shows quite a bit more for older artillery pieces. Not sure what Russian designed systems can do.

[PLATO]

Ah, more Puck stuff to put into your throats :

While I do follow his logic (and agree with it to an extent), I keep hearing Fred Thompson saying "Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son"

[Dinner]

The shoot and scoot time for towed and motorized units are close to each other. The real difference is that the motorized thingy are faster to deploy and have better targeting equipment.

Hmm, ok, I didn't know tthat. I heard the motorized could do it in 3-5 minutes. That includes firing three times using an autoloader, pickup the stabilizing legs using hydronic systems, then drive off. You are sure Towed artillery can match that?

[BlackCat]

While I do follow his logic (and agree with it to an extent), I keep hearing Fred Thompson saying "Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son"

Uhmn, that is a quote from a movie - I'm pretty sure that the Russians expected a fast victory so they could turn Ukraine into a new Belarus domain. I'm also pretty sure that they in no circumstances saw them self in what is going on now.

Nukes ? Well, I'm pretty sure that Putin won't use that because of his history - he knows what using nukes mean, but it seems that there are russian nutcases that doesn't understand the MAD concept.

[BlackCat]

Hmm, ok, I didn't know tthat. I heard the motorized could do it in 3-5 minutes. That includes firing three times using an autoloader, pickup the stabilizing legs using hydronic systems, then drive off. You are sure Towed artillery can match that?

Well, technically, the setup for a 105 is a PITA (lots of nasty geometric and geographical measurements - you should know the drill) but since they are first revealed by the first shot, it doesn't matter that much - if the unit is intended for fire and retreat, then it's basically putting the cannon somewhere, digging some holes for the legs, having the pulling unit parked just behind the cannon and wait to all units in the battery are clear.

Firing six rounds take a minute with a bit of practice, packing down and be ready for draw yet another minute or two, and after 4-5 minutes repositioned some 100 meters away.

That is for the 105 - the 155 (WWII) is a bit more quarrelsome - it needed to heave up the unit to protect the wheels and lowering again before deployment.