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  • #391
    Ray McGovern was interviewed by Jimmy Dore

    ​​​​​​https://youtu.be/9ReQ_97k7sI

    and the sniper attack

    ​​​​​​https://theworld.org/stories/2015-02...ssacre-ukraine
    Last edited by Berzerker; December 8, 2022, 19:01.

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    • #392
      Originally posted by Dinner View Post
      Yawn. I do get tired of people repeating debunked Russian propaganda.
      Thank you.
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #393
        Kidicious made Berzerker look sane. But, now that he’s gone……
        “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

        ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​

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        • #394
          Long read: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html
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          • #395
            Originally posted by BeBMan View Post
            Long read: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html
            Good read, but nothing that informed reasonable people shouldn't already know. To me, this is just further confirmation that Russia has adopted the Nazi model and has deteriorated to the point that they must rely on their own fantasies to maintain the control they have. While it is certainly a goal to divide the West with propaganda, I suspect it is far more important to them to unite their own people with this web of lies and falsehoods.
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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            • #396
              no no, it wasn't a coup...thats Russian propaganda and shame on Ukrainian protesters for thinking otherwise (burn them)... In the west we call it the Revolution of Dignity

              yeah, we killed a bunch of people and it eventually led to an 8 year war but we write the headlines too

              do you believe the USA wanted this war?

              Azov, ISIS, our foot soldiers in the new cold war... We created Al Qaeda to kill Russians and their allies and we asked the Saudis for help, thats why their radical Wahhabis ended up in Afghanistan. We brought these people to the Afghans and then spent 3 decades destroying their country. Can we ask the world if Russia, China or the USA is the lesser evil? Who gets your vote?



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              • Uncle Sparky
                #396.1
                Uncle Sparky commented
                December 9, 2022, 18:28
                Editing a comment
                do you believe the USA wanted this war?
                They didn't not want it. American, Canadian, British and other western nations knew as soon as the military build up in Belarus began. This is why military trainers,advisors, NGOs, etc were transfered out post-haste. If they didn't want a Russian invasion, NATO would have started an official joint 'training exersize' instead of moving troops and equipment out.

                Do you think Russia would have tried to liberate Kiev if NATO troops were in the area, or if the Black Sea had a US fleet (in international waters of course). How naive are you? (never mind...)
            • #397
              Originally posted by pchang View Post
              Kidicious made Berzerker look sane. But, now that he’s gone……
              Yup
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #398
                MoA - 'Minsk II Was Agreed On To Arm Ukraine' - Did Merkel Really Say That?
                https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/12/minsk-ii-was-agreed-on-to-arm-ukraine-did-merkel-really-say-that.html


                he argues Merkel was trying to head off a bigger war with the Minsk deal because Russia would have rolled over the Ukrainians, not necessarily so Ukraine would be stronger for a future war albeit that is the reality. She was also working on Nordstrom to bypass land pipelines thru Ukraine and Poland so she wasn't planning on this war.

                I think that Merkel is obfuscating. Her original intent with Minsk II was not to buy time to arm Ukraine. Her intent was to prevent a further war and to make peace. The argument, that it gave time for Ukraine to arm, is only made now and only to save her political ass in the current political climate.

                The proof for that is in what she also brings up, Nord Stream 2, which has always had her full support. Its intent was to make Germany independent from the pipelines through Ukraine and Poland. But war came before the much delayed pipeline was ready. And any realistic alternative for Germany's current position was gone after the U.S. finally blew it up. Her answer with regards to Nord Stream 2 makes no sense if she, at the same time that Nord Stream 2 was build, had intentionally prepared Ukraine for war.

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                • #399
                  The US didn't blow up Nordstream, why would they, as Russia had already shut it down. From a U.S. point of view it is far better for Russia to shut it down itself than for the U.S. to sabotage it. To compare Russia was facing a massive lawsuit for breach of contract for shutting off Nordstream but the contract had am automatic out if the pipeline was damaged. So, yes, Russia had a very big incentive to damage a pipeline it had already shut down.
                  Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                  • #400
                    Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

                    The right wing massacred a bunch of people at a protest to blame the President and it worked, that was a coup. Victoria Nuland was recorded choosing the next President 2-3 weeks before it happened and thats who replaced him. Trump's MAGA didn't send a squad of snipers to shoot hundreds of people and he's accused of a coup. The BBC interviewed one of the snipers, he was told to shoot cops and protesters. Azov's guns were pointing at the Donbas, not the other way around. The people of the Donbas were defending themselves, they didn't send 'volunteers' to attack Kiev.

                    How are Wall St's motives and war profiteering a non sequitur? I think your understanding is the non sequitur, this was not inevitable - it followed an 8 year war against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and threats of impending Nato membership. This didn't happen on Trump's watch so that double cross didn't happen. Trump was arming those Nazis and Putin still held back, but the return of the Obama/Biden neocon agenda led to this disaster. Please tell me you understand the US (not Trump) wanted Putin to invade and tried to make it happen. As for Putin, the US makes him look angelic.
                    Kremlin's greatest hits again.

                    But pls. tell us more about "the Obama/Biden neocon agenda"
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                    • #401
                      Why do I think Star Trek when seeing/hearing this guy ?



                      Anyway, it gets a bit weird at 13:18'ish

                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • #402
                        For the first time in a decade no annual Putin year-end press conference

                        Russia's Putin scraps trademark year-end news conference
                        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63947946
                        No reason is given, but there is growing unease among Russians over the invasion of Ukraine.


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                        • #403
                          Originally posted by BeBMan View Post
                          For the first time in a decade no annual Putin year-end press conference

                          Russia's Putin scraps trademark year-end news conference
                          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63947946
                          No reason is given, but there is growing unease among Russians over the invasion of Ukraine.

                          Just fuels the speculation on his health. If he is dying, then what would a dying, murderous dictator do with his final order? Makes ya wonder.....
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • #404
                            Patriot Missiles to Ukraine. Russia threatens "unpredictable consequences". Empty threats? What could their response be?

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                            https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3776569-russia-warns-of-unpredictable-consequences-if-us-sends-patriot-missiles-to-ukraine/
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                            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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                            • #405
                              Re Putin's press thingie -- thought he just wants to avoid the embarassment over his very "special" mil op aka war ...
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