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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
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An "insurrection" with no guns or firearms in which 99% plus of the participants were entirely peaceful? The other 1% or less simply amounted to a riot. We all know that is true but it seems some of us are so hyper partisan they choose to lie. That lying says more about them than anyone else.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.-
It seemed like an insurrection from here. The only comparable moment in Australia's history was "The Dismissal" in 1975, whereby a democratically elected government was dismissed by the Governor General, the Queen's representative. There were widespread protests, not armed, but it is considered to be the closest Australia ever came to a civil war.
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Apparently Oerdin's contention is that if you get enough sheeple to hang out in the area without guns, it's OK to invade the US Capitol. You can attack its police (because blue lives matter!), trash its contents, raise a gallows, call for the deaths of Pence and Pelosi, break into offices, steal and damage federal property, and send the US Congress scrambling into hiding in fear for their lives, preventing them from executing their legal duties. Oh, and can smear your feces on the walls while you're at it. Apparently, it's a just a percentage thing.
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Thank you for admitting you have no argument. Please go back to marinating your brain in partisan propaganda and drooling on yourself, thanks. I am positive being objective would not be something you excel at.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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An angry mob isn't dangerous unless every member is armed with a rifle
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Or French.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Spearman vs. Tank 'nuff said.BlahComment
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Does 8 months sound about right for a convicted insurrectionist?Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
You forgot 'seize power', kinda matters when accusing people of insurrection. Otherwise last summer's riots were actually insurrections...Apparently Oerdin's contention is that if you get enough sheeple to hang out in the area without guns, it's OK to invade the US Capitol. You can attack its police (because blue lives matter!), trash its contents, raise a gallows, call for the deaths of Pence and Pelosi, break into offices, steal and damage federal property, and send the US Congress scrambling into hiding in fear for their lives, preventing them from executing their legal duties. Oh, and can smear your feces on the walls while you're at it. Apparently, it's a just a percentage thing.Comment
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An insurrection tries to seize power, by attacking the point of power. How could a riot in Minneapolis or Seattle or Portland ever become an insurrection? The closest any of them come to being focused at the seat of power is the seat of local power near Minneapolis (Saint Paul).
The whole comparison of the BLM protests, the Ferguson riots, or the Rodney King riots to the January 6 insurrection is sheer lunacy. The key difference is what was being attacked. There is no way power is seized by an attack on businesses or even state courthouses.
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or vandalizing the capitol buildingOriginally posted by Jon Miller View Post
attacking police stations and courthouses is attacking the point of powerComment
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I agree the Jan 6th riot was a big deal. It was a big deal because law enforcement failed to stop a couple hundred idiot rioters even though thousands upon thousands of protesters were entirely peaceful. That was not remotely an "insurrection" nor was there ever any remote possibility of the government getting over thrown by a few unarmed fools. Frankly, we need stronger laws against rioters as we have had over 2000 highly destructive rioters, all but one by left wing militants, and we need a better law enforcement response to that.
But the hyper partisans will keep spinning their fairy tales and ignoring reality just like they always do.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Do you have an estimate of the total property damage caused by the 2000 highly destructive rioters?Comment
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I'm not justifying anything, your accusation would mean I was also justifying the Floyd riots too and I would never do that. The only comparison I made was between 2 groups of people vandalizing govt property, many BLM/Antifa riots went far beyond Jan 6 with the destruction of neighborhood businesses and services locals depend on. If you want a comparison, the MAGA rioters would have to run around Wash DC destroying the economic and tax bases of already poor neighborhoods.Trying to justify January 6th's confirmed attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election results by comparing that with the George Floyd protests is simply pathetic.
If you think Jan 6 was worse, lets ask the black lives who lost jobs because Walgreens and Walmart just to name a couple are gone. Lets ask the old timers who needed those stores to get their food and medication. Jan 6 was a blip on the radar, last years riots ruined innumerable lives, black lives... BLM ghettos. If we want businesses to go back in the local taxpayers will have to underwrite the risk because I cant imagine banks and insurance companies doing it.
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Oh, but it is. According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, "whataboutism" is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, massacres, gulags, and forced deportations by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc. - without directly refuting or disproving the argument under discussion.
When the discussion is about Jan6 and your reply is "what about the George Floyd riots," that is, in fact, pure whataboutism - a transparent attempt to change the topic. It is totally irrelevant to a discussion of the attempt at overturning election results.
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All these decades later, I understand.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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We know that the insurance claims liability was $2 billion as of May of last year (so only about half the riots). Of course, that does not include damages for anyone not insured or under insured in excess of their insured amount. Thus the real costs are going to be much, much, much higher.Originally posted by giblets View PostTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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2 billion? That's 1/10000 of the USA's GDP. Clearly, we need to overhaul the legal system to give the police and district attorneys more power.Comment
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Since certain posters are invisible to me, I'm not sure what you are responding to; however, I would like to see a lot less money for police attack helicopters, armored personnel carriers, and mechanical infantry, and see that money go to poverty relief programs, social workers, education, and mental (and in the states general) health care workers.
I know the American capitalist system needs a slave, or slave wage, working class to function. However, if they are educated, and have easy access to firepower, the system is untenable no matter which of the two center right parties are governing.
Both parties have done everything they can to dismantle unions, but forget collective bargaining became the accepted compromise to shooting underperforming workers who in turn would occasionally kill the factory owners in front of their families.
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