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[Kidlicious]

They said all babies born in America have an allegiance to it. The exception being those born to foreign diplomats. Wong was ruled not an exception to that rule. You claim they granted him am exception... they didn’t. It’s the rule, and your xenophobic allies are the ones who were trying to claim Wong was an exception to the rule.

No they said that Wong was born here, had and established allegiance to the U.S., and never did anything to revoke that allegience.

[Aeson]

No. They ruled thay Wong had an allegiance to America. Words matter.

They said all babies born in America have an allegiance to it. The exception being those born to foreign diplomats. Wong was ruled not an exception to that rule. You claim they granted him am exception... they didn’t. It’s the rule, and your xenophobic allies are the ones who were trying to claim Wong was an exception to the rule.

[Aeson]

You were confusing babies born in America (which by law are US citizens) with foreigner babies. You may hate foreigner babies too, or maybe there is a certain age a foreigner baby must reach before becoming hateful to you, but it wasn’t foreigner babies I was talking about.

[Kidlicious]

I didn’t say you hated babies. I said you hate foreigners so much you would support deporting babies who are US citizens if they have foreigner parents.

Ok, somehow in there you are not saying that I hate foreign babies.

[Kidlicious]

It is how it happened. Kid said Wong was given an exception. That is factually incorrect and always will be factually incorrect no matter what SCOTUS does in the future. Wong was actually ruled to not be an exception. Even if the rule is changed, it can’t change what happened.

No. They ruled thay Wong had an allegiance to America. Words matter.

[spambot]

They think women falsely accuse men all the time just for ****s and giggles so they figured it would be easy to bribe one into doing it.

[Dinner]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...rticle/574411/

Republican operatives got caught offering to pay women tens of thousands of dollars in order to fabricate lies claiming that special counsel Robert Mueller sexually harassed them. The problem is several of the women kept the emails and made videos of encrypted messages sent to them then turned it over the special counsel who turned it over to the FBI as a criminal complaint.

These guys were incompetent as **** because they used websites they registered in their own name and one was even using a phone number belonging to his mother. These clowns certainly weren't coming up with all this cash themselves though so obviously Republican deep pockets were involved in this attempt to obstruct justice.

The Repubs must be getting extremely desperate knowing as soon as the election is over in a week the indictments start getting filed again.

[Broken_Erika]

Bah! End birthright citizenship and make it retroactive. Deport anyone who's lineage in the US doesn't go back at least 1,200 years!

[Aeson]

It is how it happened. Kid said Wong was given an exception. That is factually incorrect and always will be factually incorrect no matter what SCOTUS does in the future. Wong was actually ruled to not be an exception. Even if the rule is changed, it can’t change what happened.

[Dinner]

It didn’t give Wong an exception, it said he was not an exception to the rule that being born in the US grants the baby citizenship. The exceptions are for children of diplomats or other foreign agents.

That is currently how the law is interpreted, yes. That said, the history of how we arrived there does seem to give a crack for a legal challenge. I believe that challenge will fail or at least only partially succeed but I do think this would make it to the supreme court where Republicans now have a majority.

[Dinner]

It didn’t give Wong an exception, it said he was not an exception to the rule that being born in the US grants the baby citizenship. The exceptions are for children of diplomats or other foreign agents.

I have a thread for this discussion. Perhaphs some kindly mod will move the posts on this topic there?

[spambot]

So you’re saying illegal aliens and their offspring cannot be and are not subject to US law while in the US?

So.... they're not illegal aliens, are they? Can't be illegal if you're not subject to US law.

[Aeson]

No. This is wrong. Read the decision. It gave Wong an exception because he was clearly an American with an allegiance to America. It did not give an exception to babies born to tourists. What other cases?

It didn’t give Wong an exception, it said he was not an exception to the rule that being born in the US grants the baby citizenship. The exceptions are for children of diplomats or other foreign agents.

[Aeson]

I'm simply arguing from a legal standpoint. I don't hate foreign babies Aeson. I don't hate any babies. That's a good line though.

I didn’t say you hated babies. I said you hate foreigners so much you would support deporting babies who are US citizens if they have foreigner parents.

[Aeson]

It was demonstrated in that case that Wong had an allegiance to the United States, which he never renounced. That is why the Court ruled that he was a citizen. A baby can not have an allegiance to a country. That forms over time. Furthermore, any parent that comes to the United States for the sole purpose of having a baby born here does not fall under the 14th amendment. That's a different kind of case.

The ruling specifically said allegiance comes with birth except under limited circumstances (eg. parents are diplomats). You clearly have either not read the ruling or not understood it. Likely you didn’t read it and wouldn’t understand it if you did.