A Day Without Sharia

[Kidlicious]

Especially the order that preachers of other faiths and apostates are to be murdered also is included,, in the old testament:




(Deuteronom 13 goes on with telling you to raze entire villages and kill their inhabitants and livestock, if said villages gave harbor to a prophet of anoher faith)

So, muslims just are following the rules of "our lord" as laid down in the old testament ... similarly when it comes to the treatment of raped women

Well in Europe many people believe that rapists are victims to and anyone who says otherwise is xenophobic.

[Ming]

The fact that you hate the Bible speaks volumes about you. I have news for you. You own worldview is ****. You have no good reason to hate the Bible except that you want the world to become an even more horrible place.

And please quote where I say I hate the Bible... Oh, that's right, you can't.
You just make crap up.

Maybe you should read the Bible as well before you cast stones at other religions' Holy Books.

[Proteus_MST]

Well in Europe many people believe that rapists are victims to and anyone who says otherwise is xenophobic.

That may even be that there are such people ... some idiots are in every society ... there are even people (in europe and the USA) who believe that the moon landing was fake and that earth is flat ... or that earth is 6000 years old and was created accrding to the stories of the bible ... or that Obama is a secret muslim.
The big question always is, how large the percentage of idiots is within society

[Kidlicious]

And please quote where I say I hate the Bible... Oh, that's right, you can't.
You just make crap up.

Maybe you should read the Bible as well before you cast stones at other religions' Holy Books.

Your the one who is willfully ignorant of both the Bible and the Koran, and no I will not play your little game.

[Kidlicious]

That may even be that there are such people ... some idiots are in every society ... there are even people (in europe and the USA) who believe that the moon landing was fake and that earth is flat ... or that earth is 6000 years old and was created accrding to the stories of the bible ... or that Obama is a secret muslim.
The big question always is, how large the percentage of idiots is within society

You can't really talk since you keep on posting this crap anti Christian propaganda.

[Proteus_MST]

You can't really talk since you keep on posting this crap anti Christian propaganda.

In contrast to you, I usually provide proof via links for my statement.
Haven't seen you provide links for your statement about people believing rapists to be victims and eveeryone who aruges against it being xenophobic


In contrast to this I an also provide the passages that tell you about how to treat women and (female) rape victims in the bible

1. If the rape victim was a virgin and not married yet, the rapist just has to buy her for 60 Shekels from her fatther (and marry her) (Deut. 22:28-29)
(that is actually a great thing for any guy who loves a girl which isn't interested in him (and has the money) ... just rape her and she has to marry you)

2. If a married girl was successfully raped in a city, she obviously cheated her husband and both, girl and rapist are to be stoned to death (Deut. 22:23-24)

3. If your soldiers conquer a town, they can take whatever women they want as spoils of war (Deut. 21:10-14) (this sounds not totally disssimilar to the treatment of women by ISIS )

as an addendum (although not directly concerning rape):

4. If a husband claims his feshly married wife is no virgin (and she canno disprove it) she is to be stoned to death (Deut. 22: 13-21)

(I could go on about fathers selling theeir daughters as slaves and sex slavery and so on ... everything found in the bible )

[Dinner]

Then maybe you should read the Bible... some would consider many of the things included immoral and is completely unworthy of any respect as well.

1) I am not a Christian.

2) Not a single Christian sect enforces old testament commands. This why they eat pork, wear clothing of mixed fabric, and do not stone people to death for working on the Sabbath. It is provided only as background info and the teachings of Jesus supersede everything in the old testament.

3) Even Jews do not keep all of the old testament as most of those laws are only for the time when the temple in Jerusalem existed some 2000 years ago and the Covent was broken with the destruction of the temple.

4) World wide polls of muslims show that around 80% of muslims support Sharia specifically including the part about apostates being put to death.

So your comparison is so absurd it begs the question if you even know these differences.

[Dinner]

That may even be that there are such people ... some idiots are in every society ... there are even people (in europe and the USA) who believe that the moon landing was fake and that earth is flat ... or that earth is 6000 years old and was created accrding to the stories of the bible ... or that Obama is a secret muslim.
The big question always is, how large the percentage of idiots is within society

80% of the world wide Muslim population is not a few idiots. That is the vast majority.

[Dinner]

In contrast to you, I usually provide proof via links for my statement.
Haven't seen you provide links for your statement about people believing rapists to be victims and eveeryone who aruges against it being xenophobic


In contrast to this I an also provide the passages that tell you about how to treat women and (female) rape victims in the bible

1. If the rape victim was a virgin and not married yet, the rapist just has to buy her for 60 Shekels from her fatther (and marry her) (Deut. 22:28-29)
(that is actually a great thing for any guy who loves a girl which isn't interested in him (and has the money) ... just rape her and she has to marry you)

2. If a married girl was successfully raped in a city, she obviously cheated her husband and both, girl and rapist are to be stoned to death (Deut. 22:23-24)

3. If your soldiers conquer a town, they can take whatever women they want as spoils of war (Deut. 21:10-14) (this sounds not totally disssimilar to the treatment of women by ISIS )

as an addendum (although not directly concerning rape):

4. If a husband claims his feshly married wife is no virgin (and she canno disprove it) she is to be stoned to death (Deut. 22: 13-21)

(I could go on about fathers selling theeir daughters as slaves and sex slavery and so on ... everything found in the bible )

You are very ignorant on this subject as not a single Jewish or Christian group practices any of these things and with the breaking of the covenant and the destruction of the temple all were let go based upon ecumenical arguments.

To compare virtually all muslims do still believe, support, or carry out the killing of apostates. You are usually a rational person do I know you can understand these massive differences.

[Proteus_MST]

You are very ignorant on this subject as not a single Jewish or Christian group practices any of these things and with the breaking of the covenant and the destruction of the temple all were let go based upon ecumenical arguments.

To compare virtually all muslims do still believe, support, or carry out the killing of apostates. You are usually a rational person do I know you can understand these massive differences.

The question wasn't actually whether the statements were followed but rather whether (or not) such statements can be found in the bible.
The bible contains as horrible passagesas the Quran.

I for my part compare islam to medieval christianity.
In medieval times you actually had christians killing apostates (just look at the albigensian crusades, for example, where christians killed christians ad captives who didn't return to the "true version of christianity" were put on a pyre (an where also whole cities were razed because they had the wrong faith)

The fact that we (most of us) in the western world now don't kill apostates (or people born to other faiths) anymore (at least not for this fact), that we (most of us) don't shun people for homosexuality, or for sex before marriage and so on isn't thatnks to christianity, but rather due to religion losing its wordly power in society.

Muslim countries went anothr way and they still have to break free from the grip of religious fundametnalism ... but they, as well, can find a version of their faith that oesn't conflict with modern morality ... after all, christians havemanaged to accomplish this as well (even though it took them centuries).

Actually a large percentage of muslims in western countries already seems to adhere to a more moderate form of islam (compared to their brothers in islamist countries) ... no reason to assume that this percentage cannot grow

[Kidlicious]

In contrast to you, I usually provide proof via links for my statement.
Haven't seen you provide links for your statement about people believing rapists to be victims and eveeryone who aruges against it being xenophobic


In contrast to this I an also provide the passages that tell you about how to treat women and (female) rape victims in the bible

1. If the rape victim was a virgin and not married yet, the rapist just has to buy her for 60 Shekels from her fatther (and marry her) (Deut. 22:28-29)
(that is actually a great thing for any guy who loves a girl which isn't interested in him (and has the money) ... just rape her and she has to marry you)

2. If a married girl was successfully raped in a city, she obviously cheated her husband and both, girl and rapist are to be stoned to death (Deut. 22:23-24)

3. If your soldiers conquer a town, they can take whatever women they want as spoils of war (Deut. 21:10-14) (this sounds not totally disssimilar to the treatment of women by ISIS )

as an addendum (although not directly concerning rape):

4. If a husband claims his feshly married wife is no virgin (and she canno disprove it) she is to be stoned to death (Deut. 22: 13-21)

(I could go on about fathers selling theeir daughters as slaves and sex slavery and so on ... everything found in the bible )

Passages and links aren't proof.

[Berzerker]

but they, as well, can find a version of their faith that doesn't conflict with modern morality

the source of their faith does conflict... reforming Islam means violating Muhammad's teachings

Christianity started on a high note and went downhill once its followers became Caesar, Islam started on a low note and remains there because they've always wanted to be Caesar

Actually a large percentage of muslims in western countries already seems to adhere to a more moderate form of islam (compared to their brothers in islamist countries) ... no reason to assume that this percentage cannot grow

Western countries require moderation... what happens when the moderates' brethren gain power? Do the moderates join the apostates and other sinners against their brothers? That'll get 'em killed too...

[Kidlicious]

The question wasn't actually whether the statements were followed but rather whether (or not) such statements can be found in the bible.
The bible contains as horrible passagesas the Quran.

Ah, here is the problem. No one was saying that you couldn't Chery pick verses out of the Bible to make it look bad.

[Kidlicious]

Christianity started on a high note and went downhill once its followers became Caesar..

This is based on your interpretation that Christians should just let the entire world be ruled by evil people.

[kentonio]

How do you teach kids to let global elites take over their country?

You do know you just voted for a billionaire with business interests all over the globe right?