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  • #46
    You obviously are fine with US soldiers dying because you are a chickenhawk. Obama did the right thing. There was no agreement and we could stay when the Iraqi government wanted us to leave.
    Isn't it the chickenhawks who prefer the 'cut and run' strategy? If you're going to Iraq, I should think that those who died in Iraq should have their sacrifice mean something not get pissed away by Obama.

    Another unsupported claim from an idiotic little mind. Your doctrine would lead to tens of thousands dead, so spare us your crap. We have no business being in Iraq. And no he didn't bail.
    How? There were only 350 American casualties in 2008. Considering that ISIS has killed many times that number, it looks like rather than saving lives, Obama values his political promises over the lives of Iraqis.
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    • #47
      Bushs action led to around 800,000 to 1.2 million dead
      [citation needed]
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
        Isn't it the chickenhawks who prefer the 'cut and run' strategy? If you're going to Iraq, I should think that those who died in Iraq should have their sacrifice mean something not get pissed away by Obama.



        How? There were only 350 American casualties in 2008. Considering that ISIS has killed many times that number, it looks like rather than saving lives, Obama values his political promises over the lives of Iraqis.
        You are a ****ing douchebag. That is all I will say about the first paragraph. Obama prevented a bloodbath of US Soldiers by withdrawing. It is quite obvious the US military is more versed in conventional warfare, and not urban guerrilla warfare.

        Stick to that 2,000 year old fictional book please.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          [citation needed]
          Yeah so ****ing peaceful.

          reuters.com
          http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL3048857920080130


          I was wrong.

          800,000 was from 2006. The number was well pass one million.

          Bush killed far more than Daesh.

          Now run away with your tail between your legs. Your "history degree" isn't worth the paper it is printed on.

          By the way, that poll posted above was done after extensive research. It possibly underestimated the death toll because in some instances entire villages and families were wiped out.

          Daesh, while brutal, hasn't even come close to this ****.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #50
            Obama prevented a bloodbath of US Soldiers by withdrawing
            Which explains why he's sending those same troops back into the fire of Iraq now that his foreign policy in pulling the troops out early failed? I also see that you still haven't admitted that Obama promised to pull the American troops out of Iraq.
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            • #51
              The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes.
              Christ, a piss poor survey. That doesn't even pass the sniff test.

              At least your source comes up with credible accounts:

              The widely watched Web site Iraq Body Count currently estimates that between 80,699 and 88,126 people have died in the conflict, although its methodology and figures have also been questioned by U.S. authorities and others.
              That sounds about right. ISIS has killed more than 90k people. Way more.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                Which explains why he's sending those same troops back into the fire of Iraq now that his foreign policy in pulling the troops out early failed? I also see that you still haven't admitted that Obama promised to pull the American troops out of Iraq.
                Those troops aren't taking part in combat roles and are limited to training and logistics. As well as some airfield security as entire divisions of the Iraqi army are tied up. Your stupidity keeps increasing with each passing minute.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #53
                  Those troops aren't taking part in combat roles and are limited to training and logistics. As well as some airfield security as entire divisions of the Iraqi army are tied up. Your stupidity keeps increasing with each passing minute.
                  Does he tell himself that at night to justify breaking his promise to pull the troops out of Iraq? Troops are troops.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                    Christ, a piss poor survey. That doesn't even pass the sniff test.

                    At least your source comes up with credible accounts:



                    That sounds about right. ISIS has killed more than 90k people. Way more.
                    Your argument is piss poor.

                    By the way, Iraqi Body Count estimated from newspaper articles.

                    You are a ****ing idiot!
                    Last edited by Giancarlo; October 18, 2016, 13:28. Reason: Fixed.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                      Does he tell himself that at night to justify breaking his promise to pull the troops out of Iraq? Troops are troops.
                      ****ing idiot! Your sentence doesn't even make any sense. Troops are troops... Bull****.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #56
                        Page Not Found | MIT - Massachusetts Institute of Technology
                        http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/HOW%20MANY%20DIED,%20BUSH.html


                        800,000-1.2 million according to this source.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #57
                          By the way, Iraqi body count is a collection of newspaper articles. That survey was actually done in IRAQ. Sniff test... Bull****.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #58
                            It will draw on for a long time mostly because the Iraqi forces are next to worthless. In the end they will win through shear force of numbers but in terms of any decent military tactics? They do not have that level of ability or coordination.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #59
                              There have been marked improvements in their training and tactics in recent months. Plus an increasing of nunber of special forces trained for urban warfare. But still a bit off from being entirely cohesive.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by giblets View Post
                                ISIS sounds scarier
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                                “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                                ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​

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