Marianne has a naked breast because it’s an allegory, you cretin

[Giancarlo]

Nothing can make BK seem moderate lmao.

You do make good points. The alt right is a dying breed of political thought I think. This is the expected reactionary mindset I expected. When they diminish in influence and numbers, they react violently. Most Americans don't approve and a majority do approve of Obama. A majority also think undocumented immigrants work just as hard as citizens (around 76% in a recent poll), and 61% are against Trumps immigration plan.

This really leaves around 25-30% who are reacting in a pretty violent way.

As far as the left, I just don't agree or see that. I think the progressive movement has many strong arguments and points. It isn't about silencing anyone, but rather questioning bigotry. People thrusted the same accusations on progressives in the past. The 1960s come to mind.

[Giancarlo]

So a law cannot draw an appropriate line where the law should be drawn? Dumb.

An appropriate line? What is that supposed to mean? By banning one you are being inconsistent and stupid.

You first.

It is funny you ask for proof yet never provide any of your own.

You said the Nazis, not the Fascists. Franco was not a Nazi. Please provide evidence that Hitler actually believed that he was a 'true' Christian.

Oh wow. I said the Nazis. My main point was about the Nazis. Hitler quoted god and the church numerous times. You lied once again. And bringing up Franco and Mussolini was just adding to my point. Point out where I said Franco was a Nazi. You can't because you lied again and you are now polluting yet another thread.

Well then. Provide evidence so we can see the context.

When have you ever provided evidence? Stop demanding people do things when you have never done it yourself. Typical with Christians like you... "Do as I say, not as I do!".

The science of genetics, and the science of biology says that sex is assigned at conception. We know this because you can sex-select via in-vitro.

This is why you never completed your science degree. And no, life doesn't begin at conception.

Because that's a retarded idea? You're really batting a thousand here. First, "all headgear or none", is a terrible statement. Nobody's arguing that, except for you.

You are arguing for a stupid ban you can't bother backing up. I asked how it would improve security and you can't name any reasons at all. Oh and using the word "retarded" is highly inappropriate.

I am trying too be civil here and not turn this thread into another ****fest like the Pope one.

Two, "we should have only one ID". Uh, the right way to do this is to have a DL and an ID card. So people who cannot drive for whatever reason, can still get an ID card that doesn't have the same requirements as a DL.

They are already there! They are called state ID cards. You just want to instate a voting ID card which would be quite expensive. And people have other forms of IDs (like birth records) that are more than adequate. Requiring they show a voter ID is a poll tax. Period.

I don't consider 20 bucks (which is what mine cost for a replacement), to be a substantial burden. Many jurisdictions will do the first one free.

Just a stupid arbitrary way to prevent people from voting. Many have other forms of proper and legitimate IDs issued by the state. Why require yet another one? Because you don't want people voting!

I have no problem with state IDs, except that some states like California don't require you to be a citizen to get one, which is why you support State IDs and not a federal one.

You just prove your idiocy. State IDs issued to noncitizens have identifying markers on them, including in California.

This has nothing to do with bleating, 'poll tax' and everything to do with permitting non-citizens to vote. Could you be anymore transparent?

You are making things up again and lying. I never said I wanted non citizens to vote. Lying once again Ben! You ignorant little man! Voter IDs are stupid! And your criticisms of state IDs are invalid. Those issued to noncitizens have identifying markers on them.

Permitting noncitizens to vote.. What a pile of bull****. That doesn't happen unless you watch fox news. You live in fantasy.

LOL so requiring an ID isn't racist unless it's done by the federal government. LOL.

Another bit of stupidity. Who said anything about racism?

Goodness... If you can't stay on subject and address things properly, shut up already. And state IDs aren't issued by the federal government. You just want another ID for a nonexistent problem (noncitizens voting). Stop watching fox garbage news and stop reading sites like Newsmax.

Same type of BS espoused by people about Obama being elected by noncitizens. Nonsensical brainwashed inane BS.

[Ben Kenobi]

An appropriate line? What is that supposed to mean? By banning one you are being inconsistent and stupid.

Nothing inconsistent about banning headgear that prevents people from seeing.

It is funny you ask for proof yet never provide any of your own.

Giancarlo makes outrageous claim. Ben Responds with contrary 'outrageous claim'. Giancarlo responds prove it!!!. Ben responds - you first because you made the first outrageous claim!.

You first, Gian.

Oh wow. I said the Nazis. My main point was about the Nazis. Hitler quoted god and the church numerous times. You lied once again. And bringing up Franco and Mussolini was just adding to my point. Point out where I said Franco was a Nazi. You can't because you lied again and you are now polluting yet another thread.

Except that Franco and Mussolini weren't Nazis. That's my point, you were referring to Nazis. Why are you bringing people who *aren't* Nazis in?

Two, in what context did he do this? You still haven't provided a speech yet?

Stop demanding people do things when you have never done it yourself. Typical with Christians like you... "Do as I say, not as I do!".

I'm sitting on the evidence that I plan to obliterate you. But we're on DEFCON 2, so I have to wait for you to actually provide your evidence first.

This is why you never completed your science degree. And no, life doesn't begin at conception.

Logically, if you can sex select with In-vitro fertilization, that would be evidence in favor of my claim that sex is assigned at conception. Are you going to argue that my claim is false, and that 'science' says otherwise?

I asked how it would improve security and you can't name any reasons at all. Oh and using the word "retarded" is highly inappropriate.

You can see people's faces. Already addressed, you just ignored what I said and then claimed, "there's no security argument". Actually being able to see faces is crucial!

I am trying too be civil here and not turn this thread into another ****fest like the Pope one.

LOL, ok.

They are called state ID cards. You just want to instate a voting ID card which would be quite expensive.

Why would it be expensive? One, and two I have no issues with state cards, except that California issues them to non-citizens rendering them useless for voting purposes.

And people have other forms of IDs (like birth records) that are more than adequate. Requiring they show a voter ID is a poll tax. Period.

Then why are you insisting that state ID is fine but federal ID is not? That's a terrible position. I know why, and I think it's hilarious that you've backed yourself into a corner. If state ID is fine to require for voting, then there is no argument against requiring a federal ID.

Just a stupid arbitrary way to prevent people from voting. Many have other forms of proper and legitimate IDs issued by the state. Why require yet another one? Because you don't want people voting!

Because the state cards that California issues are issued to non-citizens?

State IDs issued to noncitizens have identifying markers on them, including in California.

Thanks for confirming that California will issue state ID to non-citizens.

Permitting noncitizens to vote.. What a pile of bull****. That doesn't happen unless you watch fox news. You live in fantasy.

Obviously requiring state ID is just as much a 'poll tax' as requiring federal ID.

[pchang]

[Ben Kenobi]

HA! So you actually issue driver's licenses to non citizens. What a scam.

[Giancarlo]

Nothing inconsistent about banning headgear that prevents people from seeing.

Unproven claim.

Giancarlo makes outrageous claim. Ben Responds with contrary 'outrageous claim'. Giancarlo responds prove it!!!. Ben responds - you first because you made the first outrageous claim!.

And what was my outrageous claim? You are full of outrageous bull****. You get called up on it numerous times and you are polluting yet another thread with your venom and lies.

Except that Franco and Mussolini weren't Nazis. That's my point, you were referring to Nazis. Why are you bringing people who *aren't* Nazis in?

I never said they were Nazis. whoosh! You missed the point again. They are part of the argument. I didn't say only Nazis.

Two, in what context did he do this? You still haven't provided a speech yet?

Google it as you say. Look it up. He referred to god and Christianity countless times.

I'm sitting on the evidence that I plan to obliterate you. But we're on DEFCON 2, so I have to wait for you to actually provide your evidence first.

What you are sitting on is a pile of bull****. So bring it on. Lying again. You have nothing but an empty brief case.

Logically, if you can sex select with In-vitro fertilization, that would be evidence in favor of my claim that sex is assigned at conception. Are you going to argue that my claim is false, and that 'science' says otherwise?

No its not. Life doesn't begin at conception. You don't know what you are talking about once again.

You can see people's faces. Already addressed, you just ignored what I said and then claimed, "there's no security argument". Actually being able to see faces is crucial!

No proof for this.. Just more posturing from the biggest bull**** artist on this site.

Why would it be expensive? One, and two I have no issues with state cards, except that California issues them to non-citizens rendering them useless for voting purposes.

They have identifying markers and look different than ones issued for citizens in California, you mumbling buffoon. They aren't the same and I have seen them as part of my job.

Then why are you insisting that state ID is fine but federal ID is not? That's a terrible position. I know why, and I think it's hilarious that you've backed yourself into a corner. If state ID is fine to require for voting, then there is no argument against requiring a federal ID.

Birth records and other forms of federally issued ids are fine. How did I back myself into a corner? Goodness you are a stupid thing. Oh and the courts often agree with me. Voter IDs are a poll tax and have been struck down multiple times. Backed into a corner? Look who is talking!

Because the state cards that California issues are issued to non-citizens?

I just told you they were different... several times. They have markers on them regarding voting and other things. I have seen them. You are a total idiot.

Thanks for confirming that California will issue state ID to non-citizens.

With strong identifying markers differentiating them from IDs issued to citizens. They don't even look similar.

Obviously requiring state ID is just as much a 'poll tax' as requiring federal ID.

Requiring a ID just for voting is a poll tax, moron.

[Giancarlo]

HA! So you actually issue driver's licenses to non citizens. What a scam.

Can you not read?

They have identifying markers on them! They aren't the same!

[pchang]

Apparently the Big Arrow and accompanying text "FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY" are invisible/incomprehensible to BK.

[Ben Kenobi]

Apparently the Big Arrow and accompanying text "FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY" are invisible/incomprehensible to BK.

BRB, getting some ID so that I can vote in November!

[giblets]

I can't believe California lets non-citizens drive.

[Giancarlo]

BRB, getting some ID so that I can vote in November!

As I was one who worked at the polls FOUR times in California in the past ($150 for a day on top of my salary cha ching!), I know for a FACT you CANNOT vote with those IDs. And I worked the provisional booth.

You are a LIAR and not even a good one.

[Giancarlo]

I can't believe California lets non-citizens drive.

Many states do the same, including New York (before we did). It lowers insurance rates.

[Ben Kenobi]

Unproven claim.

That you can't drive while wearing a burkha? Seriously, Giancarlo?

And what was my outrageous claim?

That Hitler supported Christianity at the same time he was gassing Catholic priests?

I never said they were Nazis. whoosh! You missed the point again. They are part of the argument. I didn't say only Nazis.

Except... you did say Nazis. You never said Fascists.

Google it as you say. Look it up. He referred to god and Christianity countless times.

Well, then. It should be easy to prove!

No its not. Life doesn't begin at conception. You don't know what you are talking about once again.

http://chooseagender.com/methods-of-gender-selection.aspx

The technique PGD is the only method which can virtually guarantee the gender of your choice because embryos are tested for gender before they are implanted in the womb. These tested embryos are created for the purpose of IVF. The eggs are harvested from the mother (or donor) and the sperm sample is taken from the father (or donor) and the embryos are created in the lab for later implantation. These embryos are subject to a biopsy procedure on the third day of growth that allows a single cell to be analyzed for male or female chromosomes. While this is the most accurate technique, it is by far the most involved and most costly. PGD is commonly used for couples with a family history of a genetic disorder and older mothers are more likely to have a baby with genetic birth defects. PGD is not 100% reliable and only tests for specific defects, parents should use other prenatal genetic tests, such as amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling. PGD is expensive and still considered an experimental procedure. Clinics will not allow couples to partake in PGD even if they are willing to pay for the services if the couple simply wants to influence the gender of their child. Screening processes are extremely stringent and in most cases a couple will only be accepted if they have a genetic abnormality they are attempting to avoid.

So effective that it's legally banned from being used to determine sex.

Well, since we've proven that your claim is bull****, let's move on.

Just more posturing from the biggest bull**** artist on this site.

Are you arguing against the principle that being able to see people's faces dramatically lowers the security risk?

They have identifying markers and look different than ones issued for citizens in California, you mumbling buffoon. They aren't the same and I have seen them as part of my job.

Look like a driver's license to me. I'm willing to bet it would be easy to get one from California, go back to Texas, and vote in Texas, without them being the wiser and claim that I "just recently moved to Texas."

Voter IDs are a poll tax and have been struck down multiple times. Backed into a corner? Look who is talking!

How is an ID card a poll tax? I have one from BC. The purpose is that it's used as photo ID for everything if you don't have a DL, and I use mine as a backup.

They have markers on them regarding voting and other things. I have seen them. You are a total idiot.

LOL. Yeah, I'm sure that actually stops people from voting. LOL. California should be required, by federal law to stop issuing driver's licenses to non-citizens.

[Ben Kenobi]

As I was one who worked at the polls FOUR times in California in the past ($150 for a day on top of my salary cha ching!), I know for a FACT you CANNOT vote with those IDs. And I worked the provisional booth.

We'll see how that works out for me.

Many states do the same, including New York (before we did). It lowers insurance rates.

Actually, this is false. They were down to just one, Washington State, prior to the Obama administration.

Most states, Texas included do not issue driver's licenses to non-citizens. You'll have to retain your driver's license from wherever you are from.

[Giancarlo]

That you can't drive while wearing a burkha? Seriously, Giancarlo?

Who said anything about driving? Lying Ben is back at it with red herrings. Can you drive with platform boots and heels? Gonna ban those too?

That Hitler supported Christianity at the same time he was gassing Catholic priests?

False claim. Hitler had the support of the Catholic church and Pope at the time.

Except... you did say Nazis. You never said Fascists.

I added Mussolini and Franco as further support.

Well, then. It should be easy to prove!

So effective that it's legally banned from being used to determine sex.

Lying liar back at it with his bull**** claims and lies. And he didn't prove anything at all.

Well, since we've proven that your claim is bull****, let's move on.

Listen up. Your source didn't prove anything and didn't do anything to my scientifically backed claim. You are a dogmatic religious fanatic who is not capable of logic.

Are you arguing against the principle that being able to see people's faces dramatically lowers the security risk?

False claim and loaded question. Learn how to ask real questions.

Look like a driver's license to me. I'm willing to bet it would be easy to get one from California, go back to Texas, and vote in Texas, without them being the wiser and claim that I "just recently moved to Texas."

Except it isn't the same and has identifying markers. Stupid claim, benn!

How is an ID card a poll tax? I have one from BC. The purpose is that it's used as photo ID for everything if you don't have a DL, and I use mine as a backup.

A card whose sole purpose is for voting and is costly to obtain is a poll tax. And the courts have sided with me on that one.

LOL. Yeah, I'm sure that actually stops people from voting. LOL. California should be required, by federal law to stop issuing driver's licenses to non-citizens.

You sir are a idiot who just ignored a key part of it. Noncitizens aren't voting. That is a made up issue. You want to prevent many citizens from voting. That is the reality.