Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Ben Kenobi]

You cannot teach education with any sort of religious influence.

Are you suggesting that no one who's a believer could earn a degree?

[Proteus_MST]

Had nothing to do with you, Ming. Just musing to myself.

TANSTAAFL. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. There's another solution, what would a widow in the 19th century have done?

That what such people in the 19th century did ... don't let their kids have an education and instead send their kids as child laborers into the mines, where their work was duely needed because they could work in corridors with lower ceilings

[Ben Kenobi]

That what such people in the 19th century did ... don't let their kids have an education and instead send their kids as child laborers into the mines, where their work was duely needed because they could work in corridors with lower ceilings

There's a reason I changed it from 'single mom' to widow'. Hint hint. Yes, some did do this, but if they wanted their children to get an education there were other paths. What you're talking about is what a family would do if none of them had an education.

[Giancarlo]

You're the one claiming that parochial schools are worse overall. That's your claim. Where's the evidence for that, Gian?

Parochial schools are total ****. They are religious brainwashing centers. They aren't good for education and most of the students end up failing later in life. Nonexistent social skills for one.

[Giancarlo]

Are you suggesting that no one who's a believer could earn a degree?

Oohhhh

Look!

The idiot can't read again and now he is making **** up.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, if as you say, 'teaching religion destroys education' it would follow that believers couldn't get a degree because of all the religious nonsense infecting their brains.

[Giancarlo]

Well, if as you say, 'teaching religion destroys education' it would follow that believers couldn't get a degree because of all the religious nonsense infecting their brains.

He is making things up again because he doesn't know how to read. Maybe he ought to get a refund on his history degree.

[Proteus_MST]

There's a reason I changed it from 'single mom' to widow'. Hint hint. Yes, some did do this, but if they wanted their children to get an education there were other paths. What you're talking about is what a family would do if none of them had an education.

Hm ... in germany IIRC first prussia and then after unification the whole of germany had access to the free public school system ... therefore the widow would just have sent their kids to the Volksschule, free of charge

In the USA I assume the kids would have to go to a parochial school

[Ming]

Had nothing to do with you, Ming. Just musing to myself.

OH... I see... just more BK nonsense. RIGHT

TANSTAAFL. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. There's another solution, what would a widow in the 19th century have done?

And you are comparing this to the 19th century why? We are talking about today, not some arbitrary time frame you pull out of your ass.
Typical from your point of view... you have no compassion for the poor. Your typical self centered view again shows why you should really reread the life of Christ.

[Giancarlo]

He muses to himself pretty often lmao.

[Ben Kenobi]

other paths. What you're talking about is what a family would do if none of them had an education.
Hm ... in germany IIRC first prussia and then after unification the whole of germany had access to the free public school system ... therefore the widow would just have sent their kids to the Volksschule, free of charge

Hence my point about the date.

In the USA I assume the kids would have to go to a parochial school

In the US they had private schools, parochial schools, and homeschools. It wasn't until the 1910s that the majority of American children went to public school. Most were actually homeschooled. In those times, families taught their children, and they didn't usually live alone. Family lived with family.

If a widow with children lost her husband, she would go live with her family if they were still alive, or she would get married again. Some would put their children up for adoption - in the sense that another family member would look after the children.

There were many options. We assume that just because today is this world, that the 19th century would make similar decisions. The reality is very different.

[Ming]

In the US they had private schools, parochial schools, and homeschools. It wasn't until the 1910s that the majority of American children went to public school. Most were actually homeschooled. In those times, families taught their children, and they didn't usually live alone. Family lived with family.

If a widow with children lost her husband, she would go live with her family if they were still alive, or she would get married again. Some would put their children up for adoption - in the sense that another family member would look after the children.

There were many options. We assume that just because today is this world, that the 19th century would make similar decisions. The reality is very different.

So again... Your point? What does that have to do with today and why are you bringing the 19th century into the discussion.
It has nothing to do with the fact that a widow/woman with four children might not be able to afford $1000 a month, and it's a good thing the state provides a free education.

[Ben Kenobi]

So again... Your point? What does that have to do with today and why are you bringing the 19th century into the discussion.
It has nothing to do with the fact that a widow/woman with four children might not be able to afford $1000 a month, and it's a good thing the state provides a free education.

Once again. Free education is not free. Given the current trajectory of benefits, we are going to have to make a choice between which unconstitutional burdens we wish to preserve. Which is more important to you - free public school education, welfare or social security? You can only choose two.

[Ben Kenobi]

Because of voting blocs, people are going to cut off public schooling long before they cut off welfare or social security. Of course that is IMO. But I've seen what I've seen and I will stick with that.

[Ming]

Once again. Free education is not free. Given the current trajectory of benefits, we are going to have to make a choice between which unconstitutional burdens we wish to preserve. Which is more important to you - free public school education, welfare or social security? You can only choose two.

Just your opinion.

Because of voting blocs, people are going to cut off public schooling long before they cut off welfare or social security. Of course that is IMO. But I've seen what I've seen and I will stick with that.

Your opinion is again, simply that. And probably very incorrect.
The whole discussion now is how to lower the cost of higher education, and you are babbling about how public schooling is going to be cut off. The first party that suggests that they are going to stop public schools is going to find themselves with no support.