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    The die is cast, the ringleaders are known, their motives are nakedly obvious for all to see. The Parliamentary Labour Party coup, conceived months ago to be hatched when the timing was right, has not gone well so far. Firstly, several previous anticipated opportunities have failed to materialise. Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour was fancied to lose the Oldham by-election, but it held the seat and the plotters, poised quivering and eager to pounce, had to slink frustrated back into the undergrowth.

    Then, the Local Council elections. Again, there looked to be an opportunity, with the ever-obliging BBC prematurely reporting a night of disaster for Corbyn’s troops, only to be embarrassed as things turned out annoyingly well, with Labour emerging as the largest party. The EU Referendum was Last Chance Saloon - the final opportunity before the publication of the Chilcot Report, with all of its possible nasty ramifications for the Blairites of the PLP.

    So, the script was written before the results were known, in line with furtive early preparations elsewhere pre-dating overt action. But yet again, the figures have not stacked up as desired. In the face of a brutal and mendacious Leave campaign, Corbyn’s Labour members voted almost two to one to remain - a highly respectable figure given the fertile territory the likes of UKIP and Farage have found among the disaffected and marginalised poor. Labour’s remain vote was only a percentage point or two short of that of the SNP - and nobody’s calling Nicola Sturgeon a referendum failure.

    All of the pretexts upon which the anti-Corbyn movement hoped to base their rebellion have turned out to be duds. Despite their own professed agenda and the complaisant backing of the media, their motives are paper-thin and full of holes. But there’s that pesky Chilcot thing in the offing, and it’s imperative to get rid of Corbyn before he can use a damning report to start inflicting some long overdue justice. So, for the traitors, it’s realistically now or never.
    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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    • We will have another fun round to watch.

      Jeremy Corbyn would comfortably defeat any of the likely challengers against him in a Labour leadership contest, a new poll of party members suggests.

      Though a new YouGov survey shows increasing concern amongst Labour members about Mr Corbyn’s leadership, there is little support for any of the alternative candidates vying to topple him.

      The survey, commissioned by The Times newspaper, only includes full party member and not £3 supporters or trade unionists. In the 2015 leadership contest these groups were even more supportive of Mr Corbyn. Since then many £3 supporters have apparently since joined as members, however.


      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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      • yeah, when i saw angela eagle say that she would delay her challenge to give corbyn time to 'do the right thing', i thought it was a funny way of saying 'i haven't much support'.
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        • angela eagle on 13 june in the guardian:

          "Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25-year-old tired, he has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported, it is very difficult."
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • corbyn is going to win and win big

            the only thing he needs is a good cook because dinner is very important

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            • Why is such a big deal being made about the Chilcot inquiry at this point? How many of the Labour MPs currently rebelling against Corbyn actually played any material role in the decision to invade Iraq in 2003?

              Responses along the lines of "Ooooooo, but they're BLAIRITES!" will provoke chuckles of mirth, by the way.
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              • There's still a fair few in there isn't there? The likes of Alan Johnson, and Harriet Harman and suchlike. It is a strange one though, its something that any reasonable sense of fairness says is long overdue, and I can see how it'll help the left in their fight to take back the party by painting the New Labourites as a bunch of war criminals and sympathizers, but I don't see how it doesn't also taint their whole brand.

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                • the plotters appear to have **** the bed and don't fancy mounting a challenge, instead calling for corbyn to go in the name of the party unity that they themselves destroyed.

                  meanwhile, many of the coup plotters' constituency parties have backed corbyn; some have gone as far as to say that they have no confidence in their MPs. here's what happened in angela eagle's constituency:

                  The Wallasey vote last week was 40 in favour of Corbyn, none against, and four abstentions. The judgement of Liam Hertzenberg, one of the members, is uncompromising. “I do not think she has the support of the CLP,” he said. “I hope she will be deselected.”
                  i must confess that i'm rather enjoying this.
                  "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                  "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                  • We're about two months away from the new SDP being launched.
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                    • which will go about as well as the first one if it happens.

                      big if, though. the plotters have shown their lack of testicular fortitude very clearly by not launching a leadership challenge.
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                      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                      • Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                        Why is such a big deal being made about the Chilcot inquiry at this point? How many of the Labour MPs currently rebelling against Corbyn actually played any material role in the decision to invade Iraq in 2003?

                        Responses along the lines of "Ooooooo, but they're BLAIRITES!" will provoke chuckles of mirth, by the way.
                        This will be sufficient.


                        A number of MPs are seeking to impeach former prime minister Tony Blair using an ancient Parliamentary law.

                        The move, which has cross-party support, could be launched in the aftermath of the Chilcot Inquiry report because of the Labour leader’s alleged role in misleading Parliament over the Iraq War.

                        MPs believe Mr Blair, who was in office between 1997 and 2007, should be prosecuted for breaching his constitutional duties and taking the country into a conflict that resulted in the deaths of 179 British troops.
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                        Triggering the process simply requires an MP to propose a motion, and support evidence as part of a document called the Article of Impeachment.

                        If the impeachment attempt is approved by MPs, the defendant is delivered to Black Rod ahead of a trial.

                        A simple majority is required to convict, at which point a sentence can be passed, which could, in theory, involve Mr Blair being sent to prison.

                        Last year, current Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the former prime minister could be made to stand trial for war crimes, saying that he thought the Iraq War was an illegal one and that Mr Blair "has to explain that".

                        He added: “We went into a war that was catastrophic, that was illegal, that cost us a lot of money, that lost a lot of lives.

                        “The consequences are still played out with migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, refugees all over the region.”



                        Between SNP, post-Cameron Tories and 40 labour MP's loyal to Corbyn this may even come to pass.
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                        • But what's that got to do with the current Labour leadership issues? Blair hasn't even been an MP since 2007. What's more, I'd expect any of those on the right of Labour now to pounce on the chance to prosecute Blair- it'll win them considerable traction with the left and the broader electorate.
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                          • Wouldn't you think that prosecuting their great leader would contribute significantly to moving Labour away from their kind of politics?

                            It's a fight for what Labour stands for, and for their careers in the process, as with Corbyn Labour actually has a leader who genuinely wants to apologize and move away from Blairite politics. I would imagine that after Chilcot they will either have to shut up or leave, so whatever traction Blairism may have with labour members will be largely eliminated.
                            Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                            GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                            • Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View Post
                              Wouldn't you think that prosecuting their great leader would contribute significantly to moving Labour away from their kind of politics?
                              No. You don't base an entire political ethos on the invasion of Iraq 13 years ago, particularly as the Chilcot report is going to be published anyway, and the vast majority of them can simply state "That was nothing to do with me".
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                              • I would expect that the enquiry will be used to discredit them by the old labour/others as a prime example of their failures, and their method of governance.

                                Also that referencing to Blairism will have such "positive" connotations after the report is released. (ie Jeremy is unelectable, and they apparently are)

                                edit: thus "shut up or put up" (exit) will be inevitable after Chilcot, at least this is what I would expect
                                Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                                GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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