was corbyn really against the remain?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I like the bit at 4:17 where they go "she's had to sit and listen to an interviewee hostile to her political position without the opportunity of redress....", hoping the viewer would have forgotten that at 2:58 it was revealed that the reason for that was that she chose to refuse being involved in the discussion.

Funniest bit is the "stabbing pen" accusation at 4:36.

[Bereta_Eder]

*yawn*

all this rhetoric was used and is still used by the oposition here and tsipras still won.

(communists, north korea you name it)

thing is, can you fix the situation buster?

you can't?

get out of the ****ing way.
and they did

[OneFootInTheGrave]

I like the bit at 4:17 where they go "she's had to sit and listen to an interviewee hostile to her political position without the opportunity of redress....", hoping the viewer would have forgotten that at 2:58 it was revealed that the reason for that was that she chose to refuse being involved in the discussion.

Funniest bit is the "stabbing pen" accusation at 4:36.

The real question is whether you are a Trot?

There is something new to learn every day.

[Bereta_Eder]

I suppose the narrative in the UK is something like this (god, there's no originality anymore)

the evil communists/ trotskyists, nablagoblashmbalastists, will take our houses.

keep voting for the (ahem) rational choice so that we can continue unhindered to pillage your stuff, privitize NHS and **** you over.


Reality. You know you wanna

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-02/jeremy-corbyn-after-work-drinks-discriminate-against-mothers/

I have spent the last 15 years rushing home from work and restructuring my working week to get to my kids early, but I sport a "Y" chromosome alongside my substantial knob and bollocks. What a dinosaur,

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

His intentions are good, I'm sure. They really are. But it's like his appreciation of the outside world just froze in 1975 and hasn't moved an iota since then. It's probably a good quality to have if you're an overly-earnest social worker. But in a prospective Prime Minister it's ****ing terrifying.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Jeremy with good intentions vs party of Jeremy Hunt.

Screw the NHS, subsidise the US (trident), and don't mention my drinking habits.

[Bereta_Eder]

wot?
Getting home straight from work to see your kids?
And you call yourself a man?
I bet you never forget to raise the toilet sit either /kid


Seriously though,
good intentions might be the biggest asset seeing as there almost certaintly will be an adjustement to many things once corbyn gets to power
As long as the heart is in the right place

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Jeremy Corbyn and the People Versus the Media: The End of Manufactured Consent?

Corbyn, the self-effacing, mild-mannered veteran activist who was elected with a larger mandate than any party leader in British history, and had pleaded for a ‘kinder, gentler politics’, has become the most media-persecuted politician since George Galloway protested the Iraq War. While the right-wing press is expected to be harsh on a Labour leader, biased coverage of Corbyn crosses traditional boundaries, infecting centre-left papers as well. The MsM’s seeming contempt for the people’s decision gives pause to anyone who values democracy, whatever one’s ideological persuasion, whether you agree with Corbyn’s policies or not. The unrelenting bullying of the ordinary Party members’ choice of leader may even represent the death-throes of a ‘politico-media complex’ in futile denial that it has lost the hearts and minds of the masses. We may be witnessing the beginning of the end of what Noam Chomsky eloquently deconstructed in his Manufacturing Consent.
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The techniques have paid off to some extent, reflecting a reality of the last half century described in Manufacturing Consent. As an Australian expat, I lived in Oxford, and up and down demographically diverse London suburbs, from Hampstead to Essex, from Kensington to Kilburn. I spoke to people of all walks of life and differing party loyalties. Almost all liked Corbyn as a human being. The few negative comments about him pre-referendum included ‘weak leader’ or ‘incompetent’. When pressed as to why, there was usually silence. When informed of his policies on the economy, foreign policy and social issues, there was often agreement, and if not, there was at least a repeating of the concession that ‘he’s a decent guy’ . While their positive views toward Corbyn were due to his policies, record or values, negative associations seemed based on nothing more than the media’s assiduously repeated talking points.
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The most recent threats to their fragile input into democracy have ordinary people again doing what little they can to defend Corbyn. A vote of confidence petition for Jeremy received around 200,000 signatures in a few days. A rival petition calling for his ouster ignominiously received around 100 signatures in the same period. After about a week the anti-Corbyn petition had 232 signatures and the pro-Corbyn petition 257,000, a ratio of roughly 1:1000 (possibly the same ratio of remaining Blairites to left wingers amongst Labour members). Pro-Corbyn group Momentum had around 54,000 likes on Facebook, while the anti-Corbyn camp had roughly 4,000.

100,000 people joined the Labour Party in the days after the coup was launched, most of them to support Jeremy. Within hours’ notice, 10,000 people turned up to a pro-Corbyn Momentum rally next to the very Parliament inside which their deepest beliefs now seemed to occupy such low regard; a massive display of passion and sacrifice by people who can’t afford to take time off work, have families to look after and most likely live nowhere near Westminster. Membership is set to reach 600,000, making British Labour the biggest social democratic party in the Western world. This is what democracy looks like.

It’s not only Party members whose views are being studiously ignored by the MsM. The actual electorate’s opinions are also seemingly irrelevant to media assessments of Corbyn’s electability. In Jeremy’s tenure, Labour has won all four by-elections, including with increased majorities, performed better in local elections than under predecessor Ed Miliband and won the London and Bristol mayoralties. Overall, polls show Labour trailing the Conservatives by a smaller margin, 4%, pre and post-referendum under Corbyn’s leadership than in the final months of Miliband’s tenure where it trailed by between 6 and 14%.

there is a bit more below, and a lot more if you follow the first link.

Spoiler:

The further line of attack is that which was used early in the US presidential primaries to dismiss Bernie Sanders’ candidacy, the old go-to: un-electability. The UK journalists and politicians peddling this line must think that the public have no access to news from across the Atlantic, as this talking point was turned on its head by poll after poll showing Bernie would lay waste to D Trump when Hillary was barely beating him.

Most people, however, are declining the Kool-aid on offer. Throughout the West, the chasm between the elite and the other 99% is unprecedented, not only in wealth distribution, but in the perceptions of politics and politicians. The system of manufacturing consent is facing an unprecedented challenge, one that seems still wilfully ignored in the MsM echo chamber.

On the inside, 172 MPs voted no confidence in Corbyn in a secret ballot, avoiding accountability to local party members. The puzzling arrogance and flippant dismissal of the public will was on full display when Ian Austin MP, who opposed an inquiry into the Iraq War at least three times, told Corbyn - who had protested against Saddam in the 80s when he gassed the Kurds and opposed the 2003 invasion (right side of history on both counts) - to “sit down and shut-up“ during his parliamentary apology following Chilcot. Politicians’ antipathy to Corbyn has been as consistent as JC’s record on Iraq. When he began his journey as leader New Labour stalwarts were wheeled out to express their dismay at an ‘unelectable’ being permitted to occupy such a hallowed seat.

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Additionally, Corbyn’s monumental popularity amongst Labour members and the explosion of membership numbers provides a key advantage in a country without compulsory voting: an enormous, enthusiastic army of volunteers to execute the all-important ground-game that carried Obama to victory twice. With the poor being underrepresented in voter turnout in Britain, this presents a significant electoral opportunity that can be tapped not through centrist pragmatism but via passionate supporters. People, more than advertising, can convince people to get out and vote. And as the referendum’s colossal turnout proved, when they’re mad at the establishment, they’ll turn out in droves.

Given this and the example set by Bernie Sanders, you could only honestly describe Corbyn as definitively unelectable if you’d stumbled into the Large Hadron Collider and entered a parallel universe which combines Orwell’s 1984 and Seinfeld’s Bizzaro World. That or you obtain all your ‘news’ from the mainstream media, which has created its own Orwellian bubble. Black is white, up is down. Victims of racism, and veterans sporting battle scars from a lifetime of fighting racism, are labelled bigots. Supporters of the elected leader are castigated for dividing the Party. Politicians most in touch with the current popular anti-establishment mood are lampooned as relics of the past. Headlines report an attack on Corbyn by an ‘LGBT activist’ while dutifully omitting any reference to Jeremy’s long history of LGBT activism, including back when it wasn’t fashionable.

The MsM, reassured within its echo-chamber, has mistakenly continued to assume each one of us believes that all our neighbours buy this, that everyone else supports the officially sanctioned line and you’d be a tinfoil-hat-crackpot not to. Instead, a thing called the internet and its social media component have empowered ordinary people to, at least to some extent, see what their fellow citizens really think and connect with them.

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The chasm between the masses and the elites, represented by the out-of-touch MsM, threatens not only democracy and justice, but also stability. Since Nixon’s Southern Strategy, Reaganomics and Thatcherism, ordinary people have watched inequality skyrocket to levels unprecedented in modern history while being lectured by the MsM that spending even the paltriest sums on the most essential services for our fellow human beings is unrealistic. Any leader that disagrees is tagged unelectable - despite the small fact that 99% of the population has 99 times more votes than the 1%. But the top 1% of the world own more than the remaining 99%. Ordinary people feel not only that they have no wealth but thanks to the MsM, no voice. This flammable combination of injustice and disempowerment exploded in the 210,000 strong tide of Labour members voting in Corbyn the first time. Now, with a re-election contest forthcoming and the overwhelming odds stacked against them being unmasked, the people are doing what little they can to shield the flickering candle that had been so hard to ignite for so long...until the time when it can spread into a roaring bonfire that lights up the night.

[kentonio]

New Independent poll shows Theresa May preferred to Corybn 57-23. Theresa ****ing May..

Possibly the only thing more depressing was that they'd also prefer Tony Blair by 1 point. Yes, Tony Blair..

Labour is totally ****ed.

[BeBMan]

Was Johnson really pro-leave?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37670091

[kentonio]

Of course he wasn't, he had been openly Pro-EU for years. The only people who believed his role in the Leave campaign was anything other than naked political opportunism were the kind of ****ing idiots who actually voted Leave.

[kentonio]

Much the same people I might add who managed to completely forget that Theresa May was a huge eurosceptic and anti-immigration fanatic long before suddenly (and reluctantly) standing on the Remain side for political expediency. There was even quite serious talk a couple of years back that she would be the one to actually lead the Leave campaign.