was corbyn really against the remain?

[Giancarlo]

A 2nd vote after practically shooting your economy in the foot? Seems some are having second thoughts and the vote was close enough to merit a second vote. However, sometimes certain matters shouldn't be up for vote.

Or if it is up for vote require a 2/3rds majority like how some countries do.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Blairite labour is really trying to self destruct

“I have discovered that members of staff working for John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn have gained unauthorised entry into my office in parliament,” she said in a statement. “The implications of this are extremely serious. This is a breach of parliamentary privilege and is a violation of the privacy, security and confidentiality of a member of parliament’s office.

“Furthermore, my staff, including an intern, who have always been courteous and open, have felt harassed, intimidated and insecure and decided themselves it would be best to not leave anyone alone in the office.
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McDonnell had told Marr: “Seema is a friend, I asked Jeremy to appoint her. I think she’s very talented. I find this distressing ... Seema resigned a month ago. A month later we thought she’d moved out.”

He said his office manager had thought the room was empty so went in, and then went back the next morning, to find Malhotra’s staff there. He said she apologised, adding that his colleague had taken her complaint to the Speaker of the Commons but not to him.

“I have a member of staff, a widow with daughters. She is now worried she will lose her job and face prosecution because it is being described as break-in. My office said it was an error, a month after we thought she’d moved out,” he added.

Clinging onto anything, hard to believe blairites will not win give full media support that they have though.

[C0ckney]

this woman resigned a month ago and hasn't vacated her office. try quitting your job and then refusing to leave 'your' office for a month! absurd.

it's really pathetic. literally anything is being deployed. but they are desperate, and it seems that the public are continuing to reject the media bull**** machine's 'analysis' and smears. they're wanking on constantly about 'intimidation', but no one is listening any more; short of framing corbyn for murder, it's hard to see how they can stop him.

Jeremy Corbyn is the overwhelming favourite to win the Labour leadership contest, according to the latest Opinium/Observer poll, which shows he has more than twice the level of support among party supporters as his challenger, Owen Smith.

The online poll finds that among those who say they back Labour, 54% support Corbyn against just 22% who would prefer Smith. Some 20% say they are undecided and 4% say they do not intend to vote.

The findings offer further proof that grassroots support for Corbyn remains firm despite weeks of bitter conflict between the leader and Labour MPs at Westminster, a large majority of whom backed a vote of no confidence in him after the EU referendum.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ort-owen-smith

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Speaker rejects claim that Corbyn aide 'broke into' former frontbencher Seema Malhotra's office.

The Speaker has now replied. He said: “Having taken advice, I am satisfied that there is nothing in your letter or in the information subsequently elicited by the deputy Serjeant at Arms which would justify regarding these events as a possible breach.”

[kentonio]

So C0ckney, tell me more about how electable Jeremy is..

Conservatives open up 16-point lead over Labour in new poll

[C0ckney]

kind of expected considering the bounce that a new prime minister always gets and all the negativity from the media about corbyn, the divisiveness of the leadership contest, etc. also rather meaningless at this stage as it hasn't affected a single result.

[kentonio]

16 points. If that doesn't terrify you, then you are naive.

[C0ckney]

one poll, and meaningless at this stage because it hasn't affected a single election.

[C0ckney]

and notice how theresa may stole a decent portion of ed miliband's 2015 programme for her launch. i don't know whether she'll follow through on everything or even most of it, but it's clear that the centre of british politics is moving to the left, i.e. the real effect of corbyn.

[kentonio]

one poll, and meaningless at this stage because it hasn't affected a single election.

Polls are not bloody meaningless, either you listen to them and try and radically adjust, or you stick your head in the sand, say it proves nothing and then get slaughtered in the election. I understand now why you support Corbyn so much, you sound exactly like him.

and notice how theresa may stole a decent portion of ed miliband's 2015 programme for her launch. i don't know whether she'll follow through on everything or even most of it, but it's clear that the centre of british politics is moving to the left, i.e. the real effect of corbyn.

She hasn't moved left for christs sake, she's moved the government right! Just because she trots out the old 'compassionate conservatism' lines, doesn't mean she has the slightest intention of actually doing any of it!! All she's done is stolen a march on Labour, and undercut a huge swathe of moderate Labour voters who were already deeply uncomfortable about how far left Corbyn is. The next election could be the most important in our history, and you lot seem to be happy to chuck it away with barely a thought. What the **** is actually wrong with you?!

[C0ckney]

you asserting all that doesn't change the fact that it's one poll that hasn't affected a single result. may's honeymoon will come to an end, corbyn will win the leadership election with his opponents suitably chastened, the economic consequences of brexit will begin to bite, whatever deal is reached on the future relationship with the EU will dissatisfy a lot of people, immigration is unlikely to fall significantly, the reasons that people are angry will continue unresolved, and indeed things are likely to worsen. of course some people are given to panic, but i'm sure that calmer heads will prevail.

and we'll see. the fact that she is using that kind of language, and not just the language but also several concrete proposals, shows that the centre of gravity is moving to the left. as for the 'great swath' of 'moderate' voters crying out for a centrist alternative, i'll believe that when half a million people join the lib dems.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Before the chicken coup Labour with Corbyn was polling 3pts up, so I guess one can say that the chicken coup plotters were successful in destroying Corbyn's perception as a leader of fragmented PLP in the minds of electorate. They managed to create a 20-pts swing to the Tories. Pretty impressive.

This will pass though, will be interesting what happens after September labour elections and if Corbyn manages to clear PLP, to focus on Tories not on party infighting.

[C0ckney]

yes, it's quite an achievement indeed. it's almost as if that's what they had in mind all along...

but the underlying situation is favourable to labour and is likely to become more so as time passes. once the leadership election passes and the NEC elections take place (big corbyn wins in both), things will start to look up.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Turning the screw, a little tighter

I did not even know that this is also going to be removed

It was a measure slipped into George Osborne's so-called emergency budget following the Conservatives' surprise win in the 2015 general election. Little remarked-upon at the time, he simply said that the means-tested grants awarded to the poorest students to help pay for their higher education would be cut by September 2016 because they'd become "unaffordable," claiming that there is a "basic unfairness in asking taxpayers to fund grants for people who are likely to earn a lot more than them."

And now it's come to pass. Students in England from families who have annual incomes of £25,000 or less will have what was already a desperately meagre yearly grant of £3,387 replaced with low-interest loans, representing another crank on the drawbridge the previous generation is pulling up behind them. It has become increasingly hard over the course of the last decade or so for teenagers from poor backgrounds to justify the financial costs of higher education—and increasingly hard not to see this as a deliberate policy by this government to dissuade them from attending.
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More than half a million students in England received a maintenance grant from the government last year, at a cost of around £1.57 billion a year, or around one eight-hundredth of the total cost of the Trident nuclear weapons replacement program (£205 billion over 30 years). Defenders of the cut may argue that the debt is only paid after a student's salary goes over £21,000 per year, but that level hasn't changed in six years, and money is worth significantly less than it was—and the debt total no less real.

However Corbyn is "unelectable" & "totally out of touch"...

21st century

[OneFootInTheGrave]

C4, the most friendly media channel to Corbyn