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  • Bugs - I guess I have too many crazy people on my facebook feed because I've seen many people claiming guns themselves are the primary cause of all crime.

    C0ckney - I know that guns are just tools. They can protect just as easily as they can oppress. However, in the US the Constitution grants people some type of firearm related rights. The US Constitution also has a difficult but straightforward process of changing the Constitution. People have the ability to erase the rights granted by the 2nd Amendment through procedures described by the Constitution. Very few people who want to regulate guns are prosing using the legal method to enable proper regulation. Instead they are using to me unconstitutional and therefore illegal methods to deprive gun owners of their rights. To me if a group of people can do it for one right, why not another right or all rights? It would be one thing if basically every right didn't seem to be constantly under attack. I am quite open to amending the Constitution, but until people amend the US Constitution, US citizens do have some type of right to keep and bear arms. Just the same as people have a right to freedom of speech etc. I don't think the rights granted by the 2nd Amendment are any more or less special than any other rights. So if people can illegally infringe on one right, it follows that people can illegally infringe on any other right.
    Last edited by korn469; June 19, 2016, 12:15. Reason: Clarity

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      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
      [[citation needed]]

      My experience has been precisely the opposite.


      We perform a field experiment to measure racial discrimination in the labor market. We respond with fictitious resumes to help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perception of race, each resume is assigned either a very African American sounding name or a very White sounding name. The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. We also find that race affects the benefits of a better resume. For White names, a higher quality resume elicits 30 percent more callbacks whereas for African Americans, it elicits a far smaller increase. Applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks but, interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. The amount of discrimination is uniform across occupations and industries. Federal contractors and employers who list “Equal Opportunity Employer” in their ad discriminate as much as other employers. We find little evidence that our results are driven by employers inferring something other than race, such as social class, from the names. These results suggest that racial discrimination is still a prominent feature of the labor market.

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      • Hi Factbot. Do you think it's a lie that the dino-crisis could have been averted if first-responder dinos had reacted much faster after the asteroid impact?
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        • Originally posted by FactBot View Post
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          We perform a field experiment to measure racial discrimination in the labor market. We respond with fictitious resumes to help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perception of race, each resume is assigned either a very African American sounding name or a very White sounding name. The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. We also find that race affects the benefits of a better resume. For White names, a higher quality resume elicits 30 percent more callbacks whereas for African Americans, it elicits a far smaller increase. Applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks but, interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. The amount of discrimination is uniform across occupations and industries. Federal contractors and employers who list “Equal Opportunity Employer” in their ad discriminate as much as other employers. We find little evidence that our results are driven by employers inferring something other than race, such as social class, from the names. These results suggest that racial discrimination is still a prominent feature of the labor market.
          The sky is orange.

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          • Pi is approximately 3

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            • Originally posted by BeBro View Post
              Hi Factbot. Do you think it's a lie that the dino-crisis could have been averted if first-responder dinos had reacted much faster after the asteroid impact?
              This feels like a slur against me.
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              • Originally posted by giblets View Post
                The sky is orange.
                True, when the sun is rising or setting

                Originally posted by giblets View Post
                Pi is approximately 3
                True, to one significant figure
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                • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                  One, there's no such thing as collective rights. Two, it says, "shall not be infringed".
                  One, the Amendment specifically mentions the "well-regulated militia." Two, it says "shall not be infringed" when referencing some right that is tied to a "well-regulated militia." It seems pretty clear that not everyone is a member of a "well-regulated militia," so not everyone has the rights referred to in the amendment (else the phrase about "well-regulated militia" would not be present). Thus, the clear inference that the people having the right which cannot be infringed are the members of the well-regulated militia, which today is the National Guard.

                  Now, the current USSC has ruled that this is a right held by everyone, and that the "well-regulated militia" part of the amendment is mere noise, but USSC decisions have been overturned (they ruled that separate but equal education was constitutional, and that even free blacks were not citizens, and both of those were overturned; hell, they ruled that corporations as fictional persons didn't have human rights, and the current court overturned THAT). I am sure the current ruling on the second amendment will likewise be overturned.
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                  • there's only one right in the 2nd and it belongs to the people, not militia

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                    • The Constitution says whatever the hell the majority of a group of nine unelected lawyers wants it to say. Which is not really healthy in the long term, but works very well in the short term for whichever group has more recently managed to stuff the lawyer-box full of its people.
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                        Originally posted by BeBro View Post
                        Hi Factbot. Do you think it's a lie that the dino-crisis could have been averted if first-responder dinos had reacted much faster after the asteroid impact?


                        Bolide impact and flood volcanism compete as leading candidates for the cause of terminal-Cretaceous mass extinctions. High-precision 40Ar/39Ar data indicate that these two mechanisms may be genetically related, and neither can be considered in isolation. The existing Deccan Traps magmatic system underwent a state shift approximately coincident with the Chicxulub impact and the terminal-Cretaceous mass extinctions, after which ~70% of the Traps' total volume was extruded in more massive and more episodic eruptions. Initiation of this new regime occurred within ~50,000 years of the impact, which is consistent with transient effects of impact-induced seismic energy. Postextinction recovery of marine ecosystems was probably suppressed until after the accelerated volcanism waned.

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                          Originally posted by giblets View Post
                          The sky is orange.
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                          • wouldn't the right of the people be collective?
                            If rights were collective, insofar as the majority wished to expressed something wouldn't protect an individual's right to expression.
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                            • i doubt that you were equally qualified. or if you were, the personal interview doubtless swang it in favour of the other applicant.
                              The two applicants in particular have since washed out. It was brought to my attention from another minority (Hispanic lady), that they were receiving favorable treatment that the other applicants were not receiving. They had neither the qualifications nor the experience to suggest that they should have even been interviewed. Both lied on their applications that they possessed doctorates, yet couldn't string together a coherent sentence in English. Hispanic lady and white lady were hired instead and should do quite well next year. Both have degrees in the subject they plan to teach and have some relevant experience. Also, they can actually speak English when they don't have someone else writing for them.
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                              • Crime will still exist, but hey! I think the sane brigade just want to reduce US homicide figures down from their current 3rd World levels. Maybe an average of no more than one mass shooting a week. That would be nice.
                                If you remove Chicago and Baltimore from the equation, the US homicide numbers are in line with Europe's.
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