EU Referendum - La Deuxième Partie

[Main_Brain]

the Scots and English are natural enemies like scots and welsh, or scots and irish or scots and other scots

[Bereta_Eder]

Some say that since the referendum isn't binding , maybe an election will happen and there is no anti-european party so a pro - european will win.
So next the parliement will outvote the brexit result and britian will stay

to this one can only say:


this isn't nazi germany. 52% cannot be ignored

(feeling bad about the pro-european brits who seem devasted but let's be real)

[Bereta_Eder]

There is also the very real discordance.

All the european youth is anti EU.
All the british youth is pro EU


farage proved his ultra populist rhetoric capabilities by saying that soon the british youth will align with their european counterparts.

He's married to a german btw. Maybe he transpositioned domestic issues into the political arena.

But it seems a few pints and some vague references to imperial britain and ww2 were enough

[kentonio]

Some say that since the referendum isn't binding , maybe an election will happen and there is no anti-european party so a pro - european will win.
So next the parliement will outvote the brexit result and britian will stay

to this one can only say:


this isn't nazi germany. 52% cannot be ignored

(feeling bad about the pro-european brits who seem devasted but let's be real)

It wasn't 52% it was something like 35% of eligible voters. Also we're a parliamentary democracy not a direct democracy. The decision certainly should be taken by parliament, and if they decide to remain then the voters have the option to vote them out next election. That's exactly an example of the system working as intended. We don't run the country on the direct will of the majority, because that would cause horrible things to happen to minorities.

[Ben Kenobi]

It wasn't 52% it was something like 35% of eligible voters. Also we're a parliamentary democracy not a direct democracy. The decision certainly should be taken by parliament, and if they decide to remain then the voters have the option to vote them out next election. That's exactly an example of the system working as intended. We don't run the country on the direct will of the majority, because that would cause horrible things to happen to minorities

Nice 'democracy' you've got there, Kentonio.

Glad to see you respect it when you get the results you don't like.

[Bereta_Eder]

When athens formed the athenian alliance, it had a number of aegean islands under its arms.
It collected taxes and guaranteed their freedom.
But then it became unscupulous and took all that money and just squandered it.

The citizens of the island of milos were angered and decided not to pay the taxes.

Athens had complete maritime superiority so its direct democracy voted to have all the male of citizens of milos massacred for their insubordination.

The triremes left the piraeus harbor filled with soldiers to execute the order.


Meanwhile a second athens assembly took place in which it voted to recall the previous order because it was too inhuman.


Fortunately a very quick trireme with big sails and a messanger managed to reach the war triremes and infortmed them of the new democratic decision
(although I think this is bogus. I think milos was massacred)

Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is that democracy is volatile but once you begin ignoring it you go on a slippery slope

[kentonio]

The point is that democracy is volatile but once you begin ignoring it you go on a slippery slope

We've had this system for hundreds of years. The very people complaining about this are the same ones claiming they 'want Britain back'. Well guess what, this is Britain.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well be that as it may still I don't think this will happen.
I mean for this to happen you'll have to have nationwide unrest. And you don't.
Also your markets withstood quite well the impact.

Let's be real. Britain will again be a member of the EU (assuming the EU exists still ) in 10 years no less.


Most countries will offer a free stay residence for reciprocal effect though.

[kentonio]

Well be that as it may still I don't think this will happen.
I mean for this to happen you'll have to have nationwide unrest. And you don't.
Also your markets withstood quite well the impact.

No they didn't, the Leave people are cherry picking a few semi-stable results and ignoring the horrific ones. The UK economy lost hundreds of billions of pounds in the aftermath, our credit rating was downgraded, and many companies are setting in place plans to relocate to EU countries.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well the clowns farage and johnson stepping down was a plus for the pro - eu crowd.
Anyway there is leniancy in the article 50 thingie.

[Bereta_Eder]

Now let's hope all the vultures trying to gulp up british positions of responsibility in the EU don't push things in conflict.

There is a percentage of positions of responsibility according to country size, and there are quite a lot of british ones there. And others want their positions.
(they strengthen their positions by saying, it was a british democratic decision. There is a lot of power and a LOT of money in these positions. )
I'll miss british humour. It's great

[Dauphin]

No they didn't, the Leave people are cherry picking a few semi-stable results and ignoring the horrific ones. The UK economy lost hundreds of billions of pounds in the aftermath, our credit rating was downgraded, and many companies are setting in place plans to relocate to EU countries.

Leadsom claiming that there hasn't been a disaster for Sterling would be hilarious if if weren't so tragic. And how can she make the ridiculous argument that the drop on Sterling was because the markets got the forecast for the Brexit vote wrong, and so it was not because of the Brexit vote itself. If the markets forecast it correctly, there wouldn't have been a sharp drop - true - but it is still some 20c lower than if Brexit hadn't happened!

[C0ckney]

We've had this system for hundreds of years. The very people complaining about this are the same ones claiming they 'want Britain back'. Well guess what, this is Britain.

look, i think that representative democracy is a sham, but the illusion has to be maintained. trying to weasel out of brexit using some trickery would be too much and would cause uproar.

[kentonio]

look, i think that representative democracy is a sham, but the illusion has to be maintained. trying to weasel out of brexit using some trickery would be too much and would cause uproar.

So? They killed a million Iraqis based on a complete lie, so why would this suddenly be beyond the pale?

[C0ckney]

i consider the iraq war beyond the pale and would dearly like to see those responsible punished, whether that be in court or via some sort of popular justice.

it's an apples and oranges comparison, though. the iraq war was never put to vote; brexit was.