Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women

[Bereta_Eder]

What Elok says is factually incorrect.
In the early 2000's riots in France the issue was hugely class based/ghettos/unemployment. Religion had nothing to do with it.
During the period after the invasion in Iraq and the genocidal FUBAR there, THEN the radicalization begun.

[Elok]

While I yield to your superior knowledge of Europe stuff in general, I would like to note that the situation in Germany now is quite distinct from that in France ten years ago. A different set of migrants who left for different reasons and wound up in a different country. And, as you note, after the Iraq war.

[Dinner]

You think we don't have migrants? We have a lot of them, but most of our migrants are actually working

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-15/why-russia-still-attracts-immigrants

http://rbth.com/society/2015/10/21/labor_migrants_life_under_the_radar_50251.html

Most likely we have more working migrants than any other country in Europe.

However, i see absolutely no reason to allow freeloaders in a country. We actually have a very specific word for it - "тунеядец", which had a very negative connotation in Soviet Union, closest translation will probably be "parasite" (of a society). I'm not against muslims, i'm against allowing parasites in the country. Even if it's a different country.

The vast majoroty of them end up on social benefits in western Europe. There are low paid jobs they could be working but they prefer not to work and make more on welfare. It is disgraceful that they are not forced to work or starve.

[Dinner]

(restraining the tired and obvious quibble about racism)

I would say they are unlikely to assimilate because, much as people like to think of Middle Eastern Muslims as essentially ordinary decent folk (and generally they are, I'm sure), and much as the bulk of them are interested in Western economic opportunity, there are certain irreconcilable differences between their culture and ours. Not to put too fine a point on it, but we tend to exalt most of the things they loathe.

I'm sure the average Syrian would be thrilled with freedom of religion in the sense of not being beaten or harassed if the wrong sect comes to power. Not so much in the sense of outspoken atheists publishing "You know what? **** that 'God' person anyway" books, or neopagan sects popping up here and there, or French laicite. Certainly they will tolerate such things in the short term, as nobody is shooting them. But they have no reason to embrace them, and every reason to feel hostile or threatened if they sense their children starting to assimilate.

Ditto public nudity in Holland or on certain beaches in France. Widespread and, in some places, quite fantastic alcohol consumption, to say nothing of stronger drugs. Charlie "Look, we drew Muhammad fellating Jesus, isn't that funny?" Hebdo. Prominent, unashamed homosexuality. Outspoken women, and the prospect of competing with them for jobs or even serving under them. Jews! Jews everywhere! And lots of nativist parties freaking out about economic and cultural pressure.

Goodwill can make up for a good deal of this, but I suspect the new arrivals, even without meddling from IS, will be driven into insular blocs, and from there the result is almost foreordained. Barring the emergence of a fantastically transcendent figure or movement, Europe is facing an unhappy future.

I think you actually nailed it.

[Elok]

****! I lose!

(j/k, j/k . . .)

[Bereta_Eder]

Dinner is lying because he's a racist and doesn't like muslims.

Actually France has a sizeable muslim population for decades.

The ones who are fleeing to Europe do so because their countries have been destroyed by US (and whatever little feck accomplishes) invasions.

Some are coming for economic opportunity riding on that huge wave of human misery.

Dinner must be forced to take 10 muslims free of charge in his house cook for them and him eating seeds

Not only has he participated in their countries' destruction but now he makes blanket racist statements about them.

You can't get more nazi if you tried.

You stump those people to the ground

[Bereta_Eder]

And Elok is a bit misinformed.

Lebanon and Syria were bastions of freedom of religion with muslims and christians living side by side fully practising their religion with respect for each other for huge periods of time.
Then something changed.

Namely the modern nazis of our time wanted to bring freedom to saddam.

[kentonio]

(restraining the tired and obvious quibble about racism)

Nope.

How about we change the word Muslim for the word Jew?

"And everyone just looks at it. Europe has no balls left. And Jews prey on the weak. Their culture understands only master-slave relationship, and if you give them money for free and let them do anything they want, guess what, you're their slaves and they're your masters who exploit you and do what they want. They're free, you're not. Of course they won't integrate, ever. Who will want to integrate to become a slave?"

Ring any bells? We've had some pretty vile posts here in the past, but that Ellestar one was right up with the very worst of them. If that's not bannable, then nothing is.

[Aeson]

Given that Ellestar corrected himself without prompting, toned it down from there on out, and has had no prior bans/warnings on the subject I don't think it's worth a ban. It was of course an ugly thing to say, and if it becomes a regular problem that's when a ban starts coming into play.

[C0ckney]

The vast majoroty of them end up on social benefits in western Europe. There are low paid jobs they could be working but they prefer not to work and make more on welfare. It is disgraceful that they are not forced to work or starve.

you not only wrong but also such an authoritarian ****.

[Bereta_Eder]

[C0ckney]

i wouldn't be surprised if dinner suggested 'work camps' next.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

The vast majoroty of them end up on social benefits in western Europe. There are low paid jobs they could be working but they prefer not to work and make more on welfare.

Source?

[Dinner]

you not only wrong but also such an authoritarian ****.

Yeah, **** you. Reality never matters to the utopians and they always think anyone who points out flaws is an evil, evil, racist when in reality they are just realists. You hode in Brazil from the truth of the muslim rape gangs and you have no standing to speak. The average EuropeN tax payer really does not want to pay for millions of lazy, unproductive, and inemployable mideast migrsnts who are unwilling to work. That is not racism; that is reality. Get used to it junior.

[Dinner]

Source?

Check out places like Belgium and the netherlands where muslim inemployment rates are over 50%. That doesn't even count under employment, people working part time, and so who are still eligible for public assistance. They are largely unemployable dur to being unskilled and they are unwilling to work the low paying jobs which are available due to the fact that they get more on welfare.