NATO member shoots down Russian jet

[Serb]

If this were the first, the second, or maybe even the third time Russia had violated Turkish airspace you might have had a point.

Even, for a second, just for a second we assume your lies for a truth, then what threat Russian plane possessed for Turkey?
If Turkey was interested in fighting ISIS, it would have opened it's airspace for Russian planes or even better - provided its airfields for Russian planes.

The f*ckers have shown their true face - they are on the same side with ISIS.

Simple as that.

And they will pay for that badly. Period.

[Serb]

Russian radar? That explains at least one of your country's fu*kups.



Which after being warned time and again, why Turkey shot down your plane, stupid.




So you guys ready to quit be asshats and go back to the old rules, or will you require more lessons?




Isn't this what you have been waiting for? Where are the nukes? Are they on the way yet? Russia is a pu$$y if she believes it is an act of war and does nothing.



Ready. Much more than your propaganda machine is telling you.



Why? Assuming you can even get half your missiles to fire (The half that have supposedly been recently upgraded and aren't rusting and leaking all over the place). Not a whole lot of those will make here. Chances are, where I live isn't even targeted. What percentage of your population lives in Moscow, asshat? What do you think the chances of us missing really are?

Go troll people who do not know you are an idiot.

I just don't read your sh!t, 'cause you are f*cking hopeless. Keep typing.

You are just an average American idiot, who is still living in his "exceptional" fantasy world despite that reality is so obviously and so loud knocking at his door.

[Serb]

The f*cker like you will bury this World. Because you Americans are all that stupid. Even the ones who have the trigger.

F*cking idiots.

[PLATO]

Even, for a second, just for a second we assume your lies for a truth, then what threat Russian plane possessed for Turkey?

Turkey has the right to defend their airspace in any way they choose. Just because Russia has delusions of being a major power does not exempt them from that.

If Turkey was interested in fighting ISIS, it would have opened it's airspace for Russian planes or even better - provided its airfields for Russian planes.

Maybe after they took a look at the Eastern Ukraine, they decided they didn't want a state sponsor of terrorism using their airspace? Of course, it could be that they just don't like Assad because he is a mass murdering dictator and you guys are sucking his di*k.

The f*ckers have shown their true face - they are on the same side with FREE MODERATE SYRIAN OPPOSITION

Fixed that for you. Truth is...this is what boils Russia. That a country that has WAY more military power in the region just won't tow the Russian terrorist line.

Simple as that.

And they will pay for that badly. Period.

"No more tourist for you! But please keep buying our gas...it is all we have"

[PLATO]

I just don't read your sh!t, 'cause you are f*cking hopeless. Keep typing.

No worries. It must be hard to continually confront the truth with lies. Maybe you need to take your lunch hour at the troll factory? Then you may come back strong!

You are just an average American idiot, who is still living in his "exceptional" fantasy world despite that reality is so obviously and so loud knocking at his door.

What you don't understand is the true power equities and the geopolitical arrangement of force. Once you do, then you will understand. Until then, I guess you will just keep listening to the tripe your government spouts as it tries to talk and bully itself into being a world power.

[PLATO]

The f*cker like you will bury this World. Because you Americans are all that stupid. Even the ones who have the trigger.

F*cking idiots.

No...not likely. We may bury Russia, but the rest of the world will probably be okay. Of course, Russia could choose to start acting like a responsible member of the international community, then we could all go back toward trying to move the world forward again.

[Proteus_MST]

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FOR SIXTY YEARS NATO-Russia relationships in the air have never seen something like this. We had hundreds, if not thousands of violations of airspace of each other, but nobody have pulled a trigger. Especially for a supposed violation, which lasted for seconds and possessed no OBVIOUS threat for the owner of the air space ('cause Turkey KNEW exactly what Russian plane was doing in Syria and that its targets are in Syrian soil, not in Turkey).

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That´s actually not quite correct ...
1960 ... U-2 Spy Plane incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident

[Gertrude]

The words of President Erdogan of Turkey ring hollow.

When Syria shot down a Turkish jet, in Syrian airspace in 2012, Erdogan fulminated that a minor incursion was not a pretext for an attack. Now, in 2015, Erdogan claims he personally ordered an attack on a Russian fighter during a minor incursion through Turkish airspace. An incursion that lasted 17 seconds and apparently posed no threat to Turkey. Incidentally, it seems Australian and US warplanes sometimes also fly through that same area of Turkish airspace.

It seems the primary Russian goals in Syria are to maintain stability in Syria with the government of Assad remaining in power. The primary goal of Turkey is to prevent the emergence of an independent Kurdistan, whether those Kurds be in Syria, Iraq, Iran or Russia. It appears the Turks have been taking measures to frustrate the Kurds during the fighting in Syria.

It is very hard to escape the conclusion the Turks are telling lies. It is hard to escape the conclusion they were waiting for a pretext to down a Russian jet to frustrate Russian efforts in Syria. The Russian goals in Syria are by no means aligned with Turkish goals.

It is not clear exactly what the Turks are up to in shooting down this Russian jet.

I thus conclude the Turks were wrong to open fire. I conclude the Russians were the innocent party in this particular incident.

[Dinner]

Your society is so ****ing lying. Every second word in the original article is such a perfect example of that. You live in lie, people. You f*cking empire of lie.

Says the guy whose government has been confirmed as lying on this and so many other issues. Israel, Turkey, the US, Iraq, the UK, and even Cyprus have confirmed the Turkish version of events and the only one saying otherwise is Putin's proaganda outlets. Outlets which are constantly caught lying.

[Gertrude]

Says the guy whose government has been confirmed as lying on this and so many other issues. Israel, Turkey, the US, Iraq, the UK, and even Cyprus have confirmed the Turkish version of events and the only one saying otherwise is Putin's proaganda outlets. Outlets which are constantly caught lying.

There seems to be no doubt that a Russian warplane was fired on in Turkish airspace after warnings were issued. A deeper question to ask is "why did Turkey shoot down that plane"? It was undoubtedly a minor infraction of Turkish airspace which various commentators and diplomats have opined ought to have been met with an escort out of Turkish airspace, not missiles.

A key objective for turkey is containment of the Kurdish militia, who happen to be in sympathy with Kurdish rebels in Turkey. It seems Turkey's primary target in Syria is not IS but the Kurdish militia who are making gains and taking territory. Turkey has bombed the Kurdish militia at least twice. The Kurdish militia happen to enjoy the support of the United States.

Turkey has acted in support of the Turkmen population along her border. Russia has bombed Turkmen rebels, and supply convoys passing between the Turkmen region and Turkey.

Turkey desires the removal of Assad. Russia desires maintaining Assad in power.

Russia and Turkey are thus at loggerheads over Syria.

Russia and Turkey both have some interests in common with the United States and some points of difference.

[Serb]

Oh, crap! Yanks are hopeless idiots, really. I have only one question for you: what would you whine, when Russians help Syria to defend its (Syrian) airspace and shot down a NATO plane over Syria? Your "mighty military powerhouse in the region" - Turkey have already stopped flights of its planes both over Syria and Greece, the same second they have realized we are going to shot them down now. But, it's only a matter of time when the Turkish plane will fall and perhaps not a single plane. What would you shout then?

[Serb]

That´s actually not quite correct ...
1960 ... U-2 Spy Plane incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident

ok, let it be 55 years. big difference, really.
Now tell me, how many seconds it takes for U2 to fly to Ural mountains from Soviet border?

And the second question is - did Soviets have the same right to "defend its airspace" just like the way those f*ckers did (to kill parachuting pilot from the ground)?

[Proteus_MST]

ok, let it be 55 years. big difference, really.
Now tell me, how many seconds it takes for U2 to fly to Ural mountains from Soviet border?

And the second question is - did Soviets have the same right to "defend its airspace" just like the way those f*ckers did (to kill parachuting pilot from the ground)?

Well, I for my part don´t try to defend Erdogan on this one ...
Erdogan and Putin are 2 people of the same kind ... wannabe autocrats with a really big Ego.
And, as someone already said, their interests with regards to Assad are diamterically opposite ...
Erdogan wants to see him fall ... and Putin wants to support him and therefore a large part of his bombing campaign actually is against moderate rebel groups and not ISIS.
Therefore it is no surprise to me that a minor infraction of turkish airspace was used as a pretext for shooting it down.

As for the pilot who was killed from the ground ... well, it is my understanding that it were rebels who shot him ... and not turkish troops
(which surely wasn´t a nice or intelligent thing to do (they could have taken him hostage) but, if they were among the rebels who got regularly bombed by Putin, was not a big surprise

[Sava]

A Russian claiming they never shot down planes [emoji38]

Russia is second place to ISIS when it comes to killing people on planes.

Russia is a terrorist nation

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[PLATO]

Oh, crap! Yanks are hopeless idiots, really. I have only one question for you: what would you whine, when Russians help Syria to defend its (Syrian) airspace and shot down a NATO plane over Syria?

If Syria wants to take responsibility for what happens from its territory and wants to pretend that they are in control of their territory, then protecting their airspace could have some merit. That would also come with having committed acts of war against Russia now wouldn't it? You just can't compare apples and oranges Serb.

Your "mighty military powerhouse in the region" - Turkey have already stopped flights of its planes both over Syria and Greece, the same second they have realized we are going to shot them down now.

I would imagine that Turkey will take whatever measures it deems necessary to protect its boarders and vital interests. I highly doubt that the presence of a few drunken Russian pilots will change that.

But, it's only a matter of time when the Turkish plane will fall and perhaps not a single plane. What would you shout then?

Depends on the reason. Using the reasoning that you have laid out, I would shout that Russia has committed another international crime and should be further isolated.

Fortunately, however, it looks like Russia will now be taking its cues from the U.S. led coalition. With a real military now in charge, these type of amateur retaliations you are talking about will probably be avoided. Who knows though...your soldiers do have the hardest time reading the simplest maps.