Why has America stopped winning wars?

[Berzerker]

Yes, LBJ was a liberal.

what made him liberal?

and it dont matter what he was, he didn't get us into Vietnam

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm going to say that LBJ was a liberal in the American context (The Great Society is probably the main argument in favor of that). However, yes... he didn't start the war, nor did he leave it (that Nixon who "cut and run" if anyone did).

[C0ckney]

must we really turn this thread into another ben vs everyone ****fest? no matter the subject or issue, he'll find a way to be on the wrong side of it, so let's just leave him to it.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm going to say that LBJ was a liberal in the American context (The Great Society is probably the main argument in favor of that). However, yes... he didn't start the war, nor did he leave it (that Nixon who "cut and run" if anyone did).

Great society, yes, but he's had the greatest longterm impact with the immigration bill. LBJ was extremely liberal and has had far-ranging effects on American democracy.

[Ben Kenobi]

If you take the word liberal, and apply it to anyone you like regardless of what they actually believed and did..

Most liberals extoll him. I tend to take liberals at face value when they decide to welcome someone into their pantheon.

[Imran Siddiqui]

must we really turn this thread into another ben vs everyone ****fest? no matter the subject or issue, he'll find a way to be on the wrong side of it, so let's just leave him to it.

Oh, I was responding to merely Berz's posts. I can't see Ben's.

[C0ckney]

Oh, I was responding to merely Berz's posts. I can't see Ben's.

my post was an x-post with yours.

[Berzerker]

I'm going to say that LBJ was a liberal in the American context (The Great Society is probably the main argument in favor of that). However, yes... he didn't start the war, nor did he leave it (that Nixon who "cut and run" if anyone did).

Great society, yes, but he's had the greatest longterm impact with the immigration bill. LBJ was extremely liberal and has had far-ranging effects on American democracy.

if LBJ was a liberal then so are all the centrists and conservatives who support programs started or expanded during his stay in the WH. Medicare, Welfare, SS, voting/civil rights, "the Great Society", ending Jim Crow, if thats how you wanna define liberal then the GOP is full of them. You aint never seen "extremely liberal" in the WH...ever!

[Imran Siddiqui]

One is a liberal or conservative in the context of one's time. Jeb Bush would have been a flaming commie in 1800.

[Berzerker]

then the country was liberal back then since he got elected

[Berzerker]

Most liberals extoll him. I tend to take liberals at face value when they decide to welcome someone into their pantheon.

the most I've heard from liberals is support for some his policies and disgust with others, like the war...

[Ben Kenobi]

if thats how you wanna define liberal then the GOP is full of them.

I'm pretty sure that *IS* my argument.

[Ben Kenobi]

One is a liberal or conservative in the context of one's time. Jeb Bush would have been a flaming commie in 1800.

Curious, so you don't consider political ideology as objective? What do you make of Oliver Wendell Holmes' support of sterilization of families considered to be alcoholic?

[Imran Siddiqui]

then the country was liberal back then since he got elected

Well... yeah. I mean, it was the 60s.

[Imran Siddiqui]

then the country was liberal back then since he got elected

Well... yeah. I mean, it was the 60s.