Why has America stopped winning wars?

[Kidlicious]

Yes I think there was a conspiracy to manufacture a reason to invade Iraq, just as there was the first Gulf War. The US and others have always had a vested interest in keeping the region destabilised and their rulers beholden to them.

Ask yourself this: What threat did Saddam Hussein pose? What did America/the West gain from toppling him?

No. They actually expected to find WMD in Iraq. It was not a conspiracy to manufacture a reason to invade Iraq. And what are you saying about the first war? They invaded our Ally. That's the reason they were invaded. All we did was kick him out of Kuwait.

It's not what threat Saddam posed. It was part of a neo-con strategy of creating a new middle east that was friendly to the West. They thought Iraq would be a thriving democracy. It wasn't for oil or anything like what liberals think it was for, and it wasn't a conspiracy.

[Dr Strangelove]

Carter induced the soviet invasion of Afghanistan and kept us out of additional wars while they bled

How did Carter induce the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

[Hauldren Collider]

It's berzerker...he thinks Iraq War 2 is Israel's fault...don't ask questions...

[Berzerker]

They knew what he got from the West. That doesn't mean they knew about everything he had. You're suggesting there was a conspiracy to mislead the public. You need to support that accusation. If there were a conspiracy many would have been involved. There's a much more reasonable idea, they managed to destroy or hide the weapons.

I never mentioned a conspiracy, you did that

How did Carter induce the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

By arming the resistance to the Afghan govt

It's berzerker...he thinks Iraq War 2 is Israel's fault...don't ask questions...

Where did I say it was Israel's fault?

[I AM MOBIUS]

It took 21 days to capture Baghdad in 2003 and 3,174 days to leave.

They haven't left yet.

US Air power is/was pretty much the only thing that stopped ISIS advancing into Baghdad.

Basically the US is pretty good at blowing stuff up - and that's pretty much it. The problem is, the more they blow stuff up, the more collateral damage they cause - and the more they piss off the locals - and the more they have to blow stuff up!

For the US to win wars these days, they pretty much have to kill ALL their enemies and ALL of the relatives of the civilians they accidentally/inevitably kill - basically they have to kill EVERYBODY to prevent the endless cycle of resistance they get caught up in.

I dunno, indiscriminate killing is something that seems to be woven into the DNA of US armed forces - whether by design, or accidentally...

[PLATO]

They haven't left yet.

US Air power is/was pretty much the only thing that stopped ISIS advancing into Baghdad.

Basically the US is pretty good at blowing stuff up - and that's pretty much it. The problem is, the more they blow stuff up, the more collateral damage they cause - and the more they piss off the locals - and the more they have to blow stuff up!

For the US to win wars these days, they pretty much have to kill ALL their enemies and ALL of the relatives of the civilians they accidentally/inevitably kill - basically they have to kill EVERYBODY to prevent the endless cycle of resistance they get caught up in.

I dunno, indiscriminate killing is something that seems to be woven into the DNA of US armed forces - whether by design, or accidentally...

Pretty much what the article said, isn't it?

[PLATO]

JM

[PLATO]

I think that there are two points here...at least for me:
1.) The U.S. needs to be realistic about what it can accomplish, why it should get involved, and when and how it can leave BEFORE committing to any conflict.
2.) The U.S. should stay out of internal conflicts for the most part...being VERY careful when it decides to intervene...and when it does decide to intervene...see #1

[PLATO]

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

Basically the US is pretty good at blowing stuff up - and that's pretty much it. The problem is, the more they blow stuff up, the more collateral damage they cause - and the more they piss off the locals - and the more they have to blow stuff up!

Interesting to hear Moby call for increasing the boots on the ground in Iraq.

[kentonio]

No. They actually expected to find WMD in Iraq. It was not a conspiracy to manufacture a reason to invade Iraq.

*sigh*

[kentonio]

I think that there are two points here...at least for me:
1.) The U.S. needs to be realistic about what it can accomplish, why it should get involved, and when and how it can leave BEFORE committing to any conflict.
2.) The U.S. should stay out of internal conflicts for the most part...being VERY careful when it decides to intervene...and when it does decide to intervene...see #1

Basically just this. Oh and properly investigate/prosecute your leaders when they disregard intelligence and take you into wars that turn out to have been launched under false pretenses. We need to also do this in the UK. Honest mistakes are one thing, but ordering the suppression of intelligence that disagrees with you so you can put a more compelling case to the public should be the kind of thing that leads to jail time when it blows up in your face.

[Ben Kenobi]

Kentonio, do you believe that ISIS is a threat warranting intervention from the United Kingdom?

[Sava]

They haven't left yet.

US Air power is/was pretty much the only thing that stopped ISIS advancing into Baghdad.

Basically the US is pretty good at blowing stuff up - and that's pretty much it. The problem is, the more they blow stuff up, the more collateral damage they cause - and the more they piss off the locals - and the more they have to blow stuff up!

For the US to win wars these days, they pretty much have to kill ALL their enemies and ALL of the relatives of the civilians they accidentally/inevitably kill - basically they have to kill EVERYBODY to prevent the endless cycle of resistance they get caught up in.

I dunno, indiscriminate killing is something that seems to be woven into the DNA of US armed forces - whether by design, or accidentally...

Don't pretend your military is any better

[Sava]

They haven't left yet.

US Air power is/was pretty much the only thing that stopped ISIS advancing into Baghdad.

Basically the US is pretty good at blowing stuff up - and that's pretty much it. The problem is, the more they blow stuff up, the more collateral damage they cause - and the more they piss off the locals - and the more they have to blow stuff up!

For the US to win wars these days, they pretty much have to kill ALL their enemies and ALL of the relatives of the civilians they accidentally/inevitably kill - basically they have to kill EVERYBODY to prevent the endless cycle of resistance they get caught up in.

I dunno, indiscriminate killing is something that seems to be woven into the DNA of US armed forces - whether by design, or accidentally...

Don't pretend your military is any better