Ben is correct. Mormons are not Christian.
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For the last two hundred years or so anyone calling a Christian who is not a member of the clergy of their denomination a heretic is indeed crazy.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostPlenty I disagree with but I consider protestants to be Christians.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Hey you guise it's me again (My name is AAHZ lol.)
I just wanted to Put a Poast in this thrade to say how invinciBle Kidicious' arguments are. His logicK is unBeataBle and his intelligence level is through the roof. I just don't know what I would do without Kidicious' Poasts.
Thank you and Please cKontinue with this thrade.The Wizard of AAHZ
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Mormons are Christian by the dictionary definition of the term. They believe in Jesus as Christ, son of God, born of Mary, suffered and died for the sins of all humanity, resurrected, and will come again. They are baptised in his name, take the sacrament.
But it is very Christian of course to look down on other believers because their faith isn't as good as your own. That's what Jesus taught, wasn't it? The Pharisees were the good guys
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Mormons are Christian by the dictionary definition of the term. They believe in Jesus as Christ, son of God, born of Mary, suffered and died for the sins of all humanity, resurrected, and will come again. They are baptised in his name, take the sacrament.
Christians believe that YHWH is eternal, and that Christ, the son of God is also eternal. This hits at the Witnesses as well.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThey believe that YHWH is Adam, a created being. This is contrary to Trinitarian doctrines that all Christians, (excepting Kidicious), believe.
Christians believe that YHWH is eternal, and that Christ, the son of God is also eternal. This hits at the Witnesses as well.The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!
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You're just using words incorrectly BK, so as to castigate believers in Jesus Christ, who are baptized in his name and try to follow his teachings. Why you feel the need to persecute Christians is beyond me, but it's a common theme with you to reject everything Christ taught and basically do the opposite.
"Young, Brigham (April 9, 1852), "Self-Government—Mysteries—Recreation and Amusements, not in Themselves Sinful—Tithing—Adam, Our Father and Our God", in Watt, G.D., Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, His Two Counsellors, the Twelve Apostles, and Others "
LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow succinctly summarized a portion of the doctrine explained in this discourse using a couplet, which is often repeated within the church:
"As man now is, God once was:
As God now is, man may be."
Again, this is broadly known that the Mormons teach that God was a man before he was God, and that man may become God.
Two, what Christians believe is that God is eternal. Any definition of eternal I've seen is that God is uncreated. I can cite the Athanasian Creed, written in the 4th century, some 1400 years before Joseph Smith in my defense.
All Christians, protestant or no, hold the Athanasian Creed to be true.
"The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated."
"The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal."
Both of the teachings of Joseph Smith fall afoul of both of these, in teaching that God was a created being and the God isn't eternal.
I'm sorry, Aeson, Mormonism isn't Christianity. It's never been and has serious theological problems when measured against actual longstanding Christian teachings. Teachings held by both Catholics and Protestants.Last edited by Ben Kenobi; May 11, 2015, 02:55.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostAccording to Young, he was taught by Joseph Smith that Adam is "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do".
"Young, Brigham (April 9, 1852), "Self-Government—Mysteries—Recreation and Amusements, not in Themselves Sinful—Tithing—Adam, Our Father and Our God", in Watt, G.D., Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, His Two Counsellors, the Twelve Apostles, and Others "
LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow succinctly summarized a portion of the doctrine explained in this discourse using a couplet, which is often repeated within the church:
"As man now is, God once was:
As God now is, man may be."
Again, this is broadly known that the Mormons teach that God was a man before he was God, and that man may become God.
Two, what Christians believe is that God is eternal. Any definition of eternal I've seen is that God is uncreated. I can cite the Athanasian Creed, written in the 4th century, some 1400 years before Joseph Smith in my defense.
All Christians, protestant or no, hold the Athanasian Creed to be true.
"The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated."
"The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal."
Both of the teachings of Joseph Smith fall afoul of both of these, in teaching that God was a created being and the God isn't eternal.
I'm sorry, Aeson, Mormonism isn't Christianity. It's never been and has serious theological problems when measured against actual longstanding Christian teachings. Teachings held by both Catholics and Protestants.
(Adam-God was never official LDS Doctrine, even when Brigham Young was head of the Church it was disputed by others in the LDS Church and Brigham Young himself said it wasn't an important matter in regards to personal beliefs/salvation. And certainly it isn't modern LDS Doctrine.)
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Originally posted by Aeson View PostMormons are Christian by the dictionary definition of the term. They believe in Jesus as Christ, son of God, born of Mary, suffered and died for the sins of all humanity, resurrected, and will come again. They are baptised in his name, take the sacrament.
But it is very Christian of course to look down on other believers because their faith isn't as good as your own. That's what Jesus taught, wasn't it? The Pharisees were the good guysTo us, it is the BEAST.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThey believe that YHWH is Adam, a created being. This is contrary to Trinitarian doctrines that all Christians, (excepting Kidicious), believe.
Christians believe that YHWH is eternal, and that Christ, the son of God is also eternal. This hits at the Witnesses as well.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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