What actually happened to Freddy gray?

[PLATO]

Ben's back.

It is very, very simple. It has NOTHING to do with previous arrests. ANYONE should be safe while in Police custody. ANYTHING less is an abuse of the authority that the people have granted to the Police. It does not matter if his injuries in custody were intentional or negligent. It does not matter if he was guilty or innocent. It does not matter if he was black or white. He had a RIGHT to be safe while in custody. .......and he wasn't.

[-Jrabbit]

Well said, PLATO.

[Ben Kenobi]

It has NOTHING to do with previous arrests.

Ok. So you don't think it should matter whether someone is arrested with priors? I think it makes a big difference for the officers involved if they are dealing with someone who has no prior record and someone with 18 prior arrests. Big differences. The cops would not be doing their jobs otherwise.

ANYONE should be safe while in Police custody. ANYTHING less is an abuse of the authority that the people have granted to the Police.

You're assuming that the cops put this man in harms way. I don't see that at all. Again - there's nothing in it for the cops to do something like that. Who benefits? Not the cops. The cops did not leave the man on the side of the road. Who benefits from crucifying these cops? Plenty of people. That's the problem here. Nobody benefits from the facts, except the lives of the officers, who, at this point, have not been found guilty of anything. Save, perhaps, being the wrong folks on the duty list that night.

Please - show me the evidence - anything - that this was deliberately done by the officers.

He had a RIGHT to be safe while in custody. .......and he wasn't.

But, he was safe. That's the point. He wasn't shot by someone on the street. He wasn't shot by another inmate on his way to the jail.

If the man had a heart attack would you assume that the death was deliberate? Why or why not? There's just not enough evidence for you to crucify these officers. Nor is their enough to show that the man was actually unsafe. In fact - he wasn't the only person in the car that night.

The other inmate in the car, did not have the same outcome. Why, if the officers are the ones responsible is this the case? What's different between the two, that one would come out fine and the other would not in the exact same circumstances?

[loinburger]

Please - show me the evidence - anything - that this was deliberately done by the officers.

Do you believe that the officers shouldn't be punished if they merely negligently killed a man? If you believe that negligent homicide should be punished, then stop throwing out this "deliberately" strawman.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you believe that the officers shouldn't be punished if they merely negligently killed a man? If not, then stop throwing out this "deliberately" strawman.

You were the one making hysterical references to the death penalty. Are you finally admitting that there's absolutely no sense behind asserting that the cops deliberately murdered this man?

The only thing there *may* be evidence for is negligence. And again - that's not entirely clear. There's just not enough evidence at this point.

[loinburger]

I can never tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or if you're legitimately stupid.

[Guynemer]

My homeopath says vaccines are bad and I should take my kids in to get ear candling done instead. Do you think that she is right?

You miserable son of a *****.

[PLATO]

deliberately obtuse

AND

you're legitimately stupid.

[Guynemer]

I can never tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or if you're legitimately stupid.

1. I see you reneged on putting him on ignore.

2. Reject the tyranny of "or".

[loinburger]

1.

2. I said "or", not "xor"

[Thoth]

You miserable son of a *****.

[The Mad Monk]

I see a consistent pattern of criminal and violent activity over the past 7 years. These are facts, loinburger.



Are you suggesting that Freddy Grey was not a criminal?



No, I'm suggesting that the two arrests for assault, the two successive violations of parole indicating at least 2 convictions, the burglary, the malicious destruction charge are all significant indicators of thug behavior. That, and dealing drugs.

Um, that was probation both times, not parole.

[The Mad Monk]

Ben's back.

It is very, very simple. It has NOTHING to do with previous arrests. ANYONE should be safe while in Police custody. ANYTHING less is an abuse of the authority that the people have granted to the Police. It does not matter if his injuries in custody were intentional or negligent. It does not matter if he was guilty or innocent. It does not matter if he was black or white. He had a RIGHT to be safe while in custody. .......and he wasn't.

This. Absolutely this.

[KrazyHorse]

Seems clear at this point that he was likely not badly injured when he entered the van. Only question is whether the officers were negligent or malicious in not belting him in.

[regexcellent]

A lot of police vans don't even have seatbelts for arrested people, so that you can't use them to harm yourself or others.

3 of the officers charged are black, 3 are white.