what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Giancarlo]

You can always start your own business ...

Like a restaurant.

What's the failure rate there? Or with any business?

You could always end up in...



Starting a business is like acting. Most end up failing and the people who tried but fail end up bankrupted.

In fact I think acting has lower risk than starting a business lmao.

[Aeson]

I started and run my own business.

[Aeson]

The point being, you constantly complain that business is doing it wrong, yet you are not willing to even try to do it better.

[Giancarlo]

The point being, you constantly complain that business is doing it wrong, yet you are not willing to even try to do it better.

I said it is rife. And what am I supposed to do? Lol start my own business. In what? Selling some useless **** someone doesn't need lmao?

And how does starting a business help?

How about advocating further regulation and laws to keep the private sector in line? Sounds more effective.

Your advice is awful.

[Aeson]

If the system is rigged towards those with money then becoming one of those with money gives you more power to change the system.

And there are countless business opportunities.

[Aeson]

Trying to regulate business in a system that is rigged for successful business just means you're continuing the system. You'll vote for Hillary, someone else will vote for Trump, and whoever wins will just keep right on favoring successful business.

[Giancarlo]

If the system is rigged towards those with money then becoming one of those with money gives you more power to change the system.

And there are countless business opportunities.

Countless business opportunities... try saying that and keep a straight face lmao.

[Giancarlo]

Trying to regulate business in a system that is rigged for successful business just means you're continuing the system. You'll vote for Hillary, someone else will vote for Trump, and whoever wins will just keep right on favoring successful business.

So lets just throw away all regulations

Smart move.

You've totally misread everything I've posted and now it's histrionics.

Regulation means clamping down on illegal and nepotistic behavior. Not continuing anything. You just don't want regulation because you hate it. That's all this is. Stop trying to twist around that reality.

[Dinner]

Well, one person here is showing histrionics, I give you that.

[Giancarlo]

Well, one person here is showing histrionics, I give you that.

And he tosses it right back. How predictable.

[Aeson]

There are countless business opportunities.

I never said anything about removing regulations, that's just your straw man.

[Ming]

Depends on the job? Errrrrr... Not really. You just got to either do the following:

1) Know someone in upper management and brownnose them.

2) Sleep with someone in upper management

3) Be related to someone in upper management

That is how it is generally in the private sector in the US. Maybe such nepotism is illegal in other countries, but not here.

No... that's not how it "generally" is. Maybe in your experience, that's all you've seen, but it's simply not true.
Hard work and talent is still the number one way to move up the ladder at most corporations.
Are their corporate politics... sure. But your "simplistic" view is simply BS.

In all the corporations I've dealt with, your 3 points are rare... and talent is the best judge for advancement.
Successful companies don't make money by advancing those with no talent simply because they kiss ass better.

Sure, talented people who are *******s do have problems... and they deserve it simply because they are *******s

So feel free to rant all you want on capitalism... but your three points for success are simply that... rants, and not reality.
But as you would ask... feel free to post statistics supporting how the only way to get ahead is through brown nosing, family, or sex... Good luck with that.

And by the way, I have no problem with the family element. If you own the company, you have every right to hire your family. If I owned a company, I would hire as many in my family who were qualified to do the jobs they were hired for.

[Giancarlo]

No... that's not how it "generally" is. Maybe in your experience, that's all you've seen, but it's simply not true.
Hard work and talent is still the number one way to move up the ladder at most corporations.
Are their corporate politics... sure. But your "simplistic" view is simply BS.

Hard work and talent... Lol... No. My view isn't simplistic. That hard work and talent line to me is old and overused. It is basically a political slogan. If someone tries hard but doesn't succeed... Apparently they didn't try hard enough...

It is dehumanizing.

In all the corporations I've dealt with, your 3 points are rare... and talent is the best judge for advancement.
Successful companies don't make money by advancing those with no talent simply because they kiss ass better.

They make money by keeping those who work hard at the same wage. Do you think companies make money otherwise? The only extremely rare example I can think that you do describe is Costco... But they have the option of being part of union. The lack of unionization is another problem keeping the American wormer stagnant. Salaries haven't gone up, while corporate profits and CEO wages have skyrocketed.

So feel free to rant all you want on capitalism... but your three points for success are simply that... rants, and not reality.

Stagnant wages, skyrocketing corporate profits, CEOs who make millions while their companies struggle... This isn't some rant. It is reality. Now if more companies were like Costco you could have a point, but I simply don't see it.

And by the way, I have no problem with the family element. If you own the company, you have every right to hire your family. If I owned a company, I would hire as many in my family who were qualified to do the jobs they were hired for.

Hiring family can be a curse as it is impossible to fire them if they don't perform.

[Giancarlo]

There are countless business opportunities.

I never said anything about removing regulations, that's just your straw man.

Such as?

Because you will often be competing against MNCs and major businesses who could easily steamroll you. This is what Walmart does.

Walmart is the typical American corporation and represents what American business is all about. Costco is the rare exception. Prove me wrong.

This is exactly why I don't work in the private sector. It is no error that salaries in my field are around 25-30% higher than the private sector, are unionized and there is far greater upward mobility. Plus it is about performing a vital service to the functioning of civil society.

No I won't start a business when 2/3rds of businesses fail within the first year or so.

[Ming]

Hard work and talent... Lol... No. My view isn't simplistic. That hard work and talent line to me is old and overused. It is basically a political slogan. If someone tries hard but doesn't succeed... Apparently they didn't try hard enough...

It is dehumanizing.

Your comments are an insult to everybody who has ever got a promotion and succeeded.
It's not their hard work... they just slept with the boss?
BULL ****!

They make money by keeping those who work hard at the same wage. Do you think companies make money otherwise? The only extremely rare example I can think that you do describe is Costco... But they have the option of being part of union. The lack of unionization is another problem keeping the American wormer stagnant. Salaries haven't gone up, while corporate profits and CEO wages have skyrocketed.

I'm not arguing that CEO's aren't over paid. But that wasn't your original point. You original point was that there were only three scummy ways to get ahead.
and to that, I call BS. Stop insulting all the hard workers that have gotten ahead through their ideas and work.
Companies make more money by having great ideas and new products... and those come from the people working there.
In the ad business, the old joke is that 90% of your assets use the elevator every day. Without those people, there is no company.

Stagnant wages, skyrocketing corporate profits, CEOs who make millions while their companies struggle... This isn't some rant. It is reality. Now if more companies were like Costco you could have a point, but I simply don't see it.

Yet again... pulling a BK by trying to change the argument. I'm calling BS on your 3 points, not CEO's making millions.

Hiring family can be a curse as it is impossible to fire them if they don't perform.

Again, BS... In the last ad agency I was in, the CEO fired his wife. (Now that must have made things interesting at home)

Many small businesses are family businesses... and they can be very successful.

SO AGAIN, address your 3 points of BS, and don't try to change the argument and rant about CEO's.