what happened to the großrossiya thread

[dannubis]

Russian forces shot down that airliner because russian forces are criminally inept (and probably drunk most of the time.) This is what happens when monkeys get their hands on hardware.

[Ellestar]

Russian forces shot down that airliner because russian forces are criminally inept (and probably drunk most of the time.) This is what happens when monkeys get their hands on hardware.

Russian anti-air defence is the best in the world. And we don't just "get" it, we produce it ourselves. And your Belgium has what, MANPADS? Even Taliban fighters, who never went to school, can use MANPADS.

[regexcellent]

Russian anti-air defence is the best in the world. And we don't just "get" it, we produce it ourselves. And your Belgium has what, MANPADS? Even Taliban fighters, who never went to school, can use MANPADS.

He's not talking about the quality of the missiles, he's talking about the quality of the men manning them. If anything he's praising your hardware; it hit a plane flying at 35,000 feet and 500 knots. Any idiot can point a missile at a plane, but pointing it at the right plane is apparently the real trick.

Let's flip this on its head: why would the Ukrainians shoot it down? The Russians shot it down because they'd shot down a Ukrainian plane with a missile fired from the wrong side of the border the previous day, and they wanted to show that no really, it's the "separatists" over in Ukraine doing the killing! So they drive over the border and shoot the first thing they see. Whoops, it was an airliner.

By the way, why West doesn't ask for a creation of independent comission to investigate Odessa Massacre?

Because we don't ask for international investigations of internal police matters of other countries. For one, the courts would be totally backlogged with Russian abuses in Dagestan and Chechnya. Shooting down an international scheduled airline flight, on the other hand, is an ICAO issue and inherently requires that sort of thing.

And i still didn't hear any explanations why a mass murdering democratic USA police killed 500 people in half a year.

What does this have to do with anything? Stop changing the subject.

You only whine that i "lie", without any specifics. So, show me how westerners don't lie and truthfully and profoundly answer these questions

Stop changing the subject and stop trying to excuse your nonsense with the fact that sometimes, some people who don't live in Russia say things that you don't think are truthful.

[Ellestar]

He's not talking about the quality of the missiles, he's talking about the quality of the men manning them. If anything he's praising your hardware; it hit a plane flying at 35,000 feet and 500 knots. Any idiot can point a missile at a plane, but pointing it at the right plane is apparently the real trick.

Producing is harder than shooting, and we're producing them just fine So i was talking about the quality of the men too, it's ok

And yeah, you Westerners shouldn't post your Western Nazi stuff about untermensch races that openly on forums. It's kinda bad for your already bad reputation.

Let's flip this on its head: why would the Ukrainians shoot it down?

Because Ukrainians knew the West will support their provocation. Why they blown up their own civilian bus on a mine, for example? Because Poroshenko then shown a metal part of a bus on some international meeting next day.

The Russians shot it down because they'd shot down a Ukrainian plane with a missile fired from the wrong side of the border the previous day, and they wanted to show that no really, it's the "separatists" over in Ukraine doing the killing! So they drive over the border and shoot the first thing they see. Whoops, it was an airliner.

Yeah, yeah, kindergarden stuff. In reality people are not as retarded as in your Hollywood movies. At least, not Russians. If anything, civilian airplanes have civilian transponders. I may accept the theory that untrained rebels could have not used a SAM properly, but trained Russian crew would have followed the right procedure and didn't shoot civilian airliner, even if they weren't informed by Russian Air Traffic Control that there will be a scheduled civilian flight.

Because we don't ask for international investigations of internal police matters of other countries. For one, the courts would be totally backlogged with Russian abuses in Dagestan and Chechnya. Shooting down an international scheduled airline flight, on the other hand, is an ICAO issue and inherently requires that sort of thing.

Well, fine, i guess it makes sense.

What does this have to do with anything? Stop changing the subject.

Why should i stop? It's an offtopic forum. And technically, given the thread name, all last posts were offtopic to the thread name as well.

[dannubis]

And yeah, you Westerners shouldn't post your Western Nazi stuff about untermensch races that openly on forums. It's kinda bad for your already bad reputation.

1. I called your soldiers criminally inept monkeys, and rightly so. I wonder why you keep on bringing untermenschen in the discussion. I am sure it has to do with your view of the ukrainians.
2. Your soldiers shot down an airline and then blame the opposition. Hitler would have been proud.

[dannubis]

Yeah, yeah, kindergarden stuff. In reality people are not as retarded as in your Hollywood movies. At least, not Russians. If anything, civilian airplanes have civilian transponders. I may accept the theory that untrained rebels could have not used a SAM properly, but trained Russian crew would have followed the right procedure and didn't shoot civilian airliner, even if they weren't informed by Russian Air Traffic Control that there will be a scheduled civilian flight.

Yes, Russian monkeys never made a mistake like that before...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

And I know some gun-ho USians did the same in the persian gulf a few years later. Still, that is no excuse for what you did in Ukraine.

[regexcellent]

The Russian Army consists of those men who are either too stupid or too poor and underprivileged to dodge the draft, with the resultant impact on quality.

Yes, Russian monkeys never made a mistake like that before...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

And I know some gun-ho USians did the same in the persian gulf a few years later. Still, that is no excuse for what you did in Ukraine.

We shot down an Iranian airliner, yes. And we admitted it and never tried to cover it up. And we compensated the victims.

[Ellestar]

Yes, Russian monkeys never made a mistake like that before...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

And I know some gun-ho USians did the same in the persian gulf a few years later. Still, that is no excuse for what you did in Ukraine.

That wasn't a mistake. It went into our airspace and flied over our land too, twice, and was rightfully shootdown. It can be argued that it wasn't a nice thing to both send a plane where it must be shootdown, and to do actual shootdown, and who is responsible for what, but that's beside the point in this case. Fact is, it wasn't a mistake.

[Ellestar]

Shooting down an international scheduled airline flight, on the other hand, is an ICAO issue and inherently requires that sort of thing.

Well, fine, i guess it makes sense.

Actually, i take it back. I googled that Western article, and it explains the issue http://theconversation.com/explainer...ght-mh17-29416

By default MH17 is not in ICC jurisdiction. Ukraine can unilaterally make it so, by "accepting the jurisdiction of the International criminal Court (ICC) over alleged crimes committed on its territory", but only with other crimes on their territory, including a war crimes. Since they don't want to be prosecuted for their war crimes and deaths of thousands of civilians, they don't use their right to do so.

There is also a way get only MH17 in ICC jurisdiction, but Russia can veto it. Reasons are obvious - we'll rather have someone respond for all murder of civilians in that timeframe on that territory, not only one specific case.
Actually, i'm not sure why it wasn't explicitly said so at least on Russian TV when Russia recently did exactly that - it seems fair to demand that all murders will not go unpunished, and Russians would have supported it for sure.

And West, naturally, covers mass murderers instead of demanding that all murders on a territory of Ukraine will be put under ICC jurisdiction. So, as it is obvious from my post, every time you read an article stating that "bad Russia" doesn't agree for international tribunal for MH17, do know, these guys cover Ukrainian mass murderers of a civilian population.

[dannubis]

That wasn't a mistake. It went into our airspace and flied over our land too, twice, and was rightfully shootdown. It can be argued that it wasn't a nice thing to both send a plane where it must be shootdown, and to do actual shootdown, and who is responsible for what, but that's beside the point in this case. Fact is, it wasn't a mistake.

So monkey boy... Ukrain, is that your airspace too ?

[PLATO]

Next up....The Baltics!

The Russian chief prosecutor's office is to examine whether the Soviet Union acted legally when it recognised the Baltic states' independence in 1991.

The investigation was described as an "absurd provocation" by Lithuania's Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius.

Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were occupied by Soviet communist forces in 1940. The USSR broke up in 1991.

Last week Russia's chief prosecutor declared illegal the transfer of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in 1954.

At the time Russia and Ukraine were republics of the USSR, under communist leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russia's annexation of Crimea in March 2014 was condemned internationally. Ethnic Russians there voted to rejoin Russia, in a highly controversial referendum.

There are large ethnic Russian minorities in Estonia and Latvia, while Lithuania has a smaller ethnic Russian minority.

A source at the prosecutor's office, quoted by Russia's Interfax news agency, said the investigation into the Baltic states' independence followed a request from two parliamentary deputies.

In their letter, MPs Yevgeny Fyodorov and Anton Romanov, of President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party, said the 1991 decision to recognise Baltic independence had been taken "by an unconstitutional body".

The source added that there would not be "legal consequences" if the 1991 recognition of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania was deemed to be illegal.

The three Baltic states joined the EU and Nato in 2004. In recent years Russia has viewed that as a hostile challenge to its security interests.

Russian-Baltic tensions have been rising since the Crimea annexation and the outbreak of fighting in eastern Ukraine in April 2014. Heavily armed pro-Russian separatists there are clashing daily with Ukrainian government troops.

Nato has stepped up its presence in the Baltic states, responding to massive Russian military exercises, including heightened Russian air force activity in the Baltic.

Reacting to the Russian prosecutor's move, Lithuania's foreign minister called it "a provocation to say the least" and "legally, morally and politically absurd".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33325842

Maybe this only happened in a "dream" or just maybe....Putin is insane.

[Dinner]

Not even Putin is dumb enough to attack NATO members.

[PLATO]

Not even Putin is dumb enough to attack NATO members.

Its not Putin, remember? It is little green volunteers.... Russia would never do such a thing! Just ask Ellestar. They represent all that is good in the world and are just trying to hold back the world from turning itself into a lying, aethistic, homosexual cesspool. Jeez, Oerdin, don't you get anything?

[Saras]

Go home, Russia. You're drunk.

[regexcellent]

They might not invade, but they may cross the border and kidnap some poor ******* for no reason whatsoever and chuck him in Lubyanka for a year. Oh wait they already did that.