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  • Russian imperialism continues to run amok
    Russian fighter jets launched from a new airbase in Syria have persuaded western critics to mute their demands for the removal of President Bashar al-Assad, but another group of his opponents sees Moscow’s intervention as more provocative than decisive.

    Regional powers have quietly, but effectively, channelled funds, weapons and other support to rebel groups making the biggest inroads against the forces from Damascus. In doing so, they are investing heavily in a conflict which they see as part of a wider regional struggle for influence with bitter rival Iran.

    In a week when Russia made dozens of bombing raids, those countries have made it clear that they remain at least as committed to removing Assad as Moscow is to preserving him.

    “There is no future for Assad in Syria,” Saudi foreign minister Adel Al-Jubeir warned, a few hours before the first Russian bombing sorties began. If that was not blunt enough, he spelled out that if the president did not step down as part of a political transition, his country would embrace a military option, “which also would end with the removal of Bashar al-Assad from power”. With at least 39 civilians reported dead in the first bombing raids, the prospect of an escalation between backers of Assad and his opponents is likely to spell more misery for ordinary Syrians.

    “The Russian intervention is a massive setback for those states backing the opposition, particularly within the region – Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey – and is likely to elicit a strong response in terms of a counter-escalation,” said Julien Barnes-Dacey, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

    As the Syrian civil war has unfolded, Saudi Arabia has been clear about its position, say analysts. “Since the beginning of the uprising in Syria, the view in Riyadh has been that Bashar al-Assad must go. There is no indication what-soever that Riyadh will change this position,” said Mohammed Alyahya, associate fellow at the King Faisal Centre for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh.

    “What is clear to Riyadh and its regional allies is that the recent Russian and Iranian escalation will only create a more unstable region and spill more blood,” he said.

    Riyadh has focused support on rebels in the south, say analysts, while allies Turkey and Qatar have reportedly backed northern rebels, including conservative Islamist militias such as Ahrar al Sham.

    That group, in alliance with the al-Qaida affiliate Jabhat al Nusra, recently reached a local ceasefire deal with Assad in the north. Its success in taking on government forces is thought to have been one trigger for the Russian bombing campaign and put them among the jets’ first targets.

    “Most probably, the coming efforts will focus on boosting the effectiveness of major coalitions, co-ordination and co-operation between the most influential and effective groups in Syria,” said regional analyst Ali Bakeer.

    Concerns that Assad’s government could collapse, leaving a dangerous power vacuum, had persuaded the allies to support a push for a political transition as well as backing fighters, but the Russian bombing campaign changed that calculation, he said.

    “There is a high-level, very close co-operation and co-ordination between Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey. They are almost on the same page in Syria.”

    Turkish support has been hampered by domestic turmoil, as it prepares, in effect, to rerun a controversial election after a ceasefire with Kurdish groups collapsed. Qatar and Saudi Arabia, however, clearly have the funds, connections and political will to respond to Moscow’s escalation.

    Saudi Arabia and Qatar are already embroiled in an expensive and bloody war in Yemen that may limit both their military and financial resources. They have also so far deferred to western bans on transferring hi-tech weapons – including missiles that could take down aircraft – over fears that they might change hands in the chaos of the war and be used against their makers.

    “The uncertain question today is the degree of power combined with efficiency that regional powers will be willing to bring to the table,” said Barnes-Dacey. “Do the Saudis now try to take matters decisively into their hands, including by providing rebels with sophisticated weaponry long denied them?

    “The new [Saudi] king [Salman] has shown a willingness to be much more assertive and take measures into the kingdom’s own hands. If the Saudis see the situation slipping out of their hands, and there is a real sense that the Iranians are consolidating their position in Syria, you could see much stronger response.”

    That is unlikely to go as far as troops on the ground, however, and not only because so many assets are already tied up in Yemen.

    “A Saudi military role would be too much of an escalation,” said analyst Hassan Hassan, author of Isis: Inside the Army of Terror. “It’s seen as far from Syria, not seen as a direct security threat. With Yemen, people have accepted [Saudi] hegemony for years, unlike Syria, where Iran is seen as dominant.

    “The best way to respond to the Russian intervention is to engage the rebels more and step up support so they can face down the escalation and create a balance on the ground,” he said. “The Russians will [then] realise there are limits to what they can achieve in Syria, and modify their approach.” But the wider regional struggle for influence between Saudi Arabia and Iran makes it almost impossible for Riyadh to walk away, whatever the cost.

    Saudi officials are particularly worried that the Americans might retreat from their strategy of containing Iran, following the landmark deal struck in July to curb Tehran’s nuclear programme in return for lifting international sanctions.

    “Tensions really are escalating in the wake of the nuclear deal,” said Jane Kinninmont, a senior research fellow at international thinktank Chatham House. “Saudis feel that the US and the rest of the international community are doing nothing about this, and they are trying to be at the forefront of efforts to contain Iran.”

    In this context, there may be a small amount of relief in Riyadh over the Russian role, as stepped-up importance for Moscow could edge out some of the Iranian influence.

    “Is there a trade-off here? The more one has Russia, the less one has Iran. I imagine that’s one of the ways Russians are selling the idea to Saudis not to look at this negatively,” said Daniel Levy, Middle East and North Africa programme director at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

    But, overall, the risks from escalation go beyond Syria, he said. “The degree to which Tehran and Riyadh are now in a confrontation mode across a number of regional hotspots is worrisome,” said Levy. “Who can act now as the de-escalating mediator?

    “Americans are not in a position to do that, nor Russians, and Iran and Saudi Arabia are not sufficiently talking to each other … you’re now left with almost no one at senior levels on the respective sides who can engage with each other. This is going to be a dangerous place.”
    Russia’s bombing of rebel positions has angered countries in the region that have been trying to oust Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad. Analysts say Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are now likely to increase military aid to the anti-Assad groups they support

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    • Originally posted by giblets View Post
      What would Jesus do?
      Jesus was the first communist on this planet. So, it's up to you to guess what he would do.

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      • Originally posted by giblets View Post
        Russian imperialism continues to run amok

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sting-of-assad
        You have missed again. One more try.

        You guys should have learned one thing from Putin already - if he finally made a move there is a 95% guarantee that was a winning move, 'cause he always calculates his moves ten turns ahead.

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        • Originally posted by Serb View Post
          The one who invades foreign countries and slaughter people there under the smoke screen of "fight for democracy".
          Or on the smokescreen of saving lives of your landspeople ...
          like in Chechnya, Ukraina and Georgia
          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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          • Originally posted by Serb View Post
            You have missed again. One more try.

            You guys should have learned one thing from Putin already - if he finally made a move there is a 95% guarantee that was a winning move, 'cause he always calculates his moves ten turns ahead.
            That was thought of Hitler as well ...
            when he annexed Chzechoslovakia and Austria ...
            but finally he miscalculated when he thought that noone would react to the partition of Poland between germany and russia

            As for Putin ... I guess he already miscalculated with regards to the trade sanctions
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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            • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
              Or on the smokescreen of saving lives of your landspeople ...
              like in Chechnya, Ukraina and Georgia
              1) Chechnya is a part of Russia. Period.
              2) That was the West who has organized and supported the overthrow of the legitimate and democratically elected president of Ukraine, not Russia. Russia's actions were just a response, not the reason of the Ukrainian mess.
              3) Oh, no, not this sh!t again! It's well-proved already that it was Saakashvily who started the war in South Ossetia, not Russia. The Georgians have attacked and killed dozens of Russian peacekeepers in Tskhinval (stationed there under UN's mandate since 1992, iirc) that alone, not to mention slaughtering of civilians in Tskhinval was a direct and undeniable ACT OF WAR. Russia was in its full right to retaliate, which she did.

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              • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                That was thought of Hitler as well ...
                when he annexed Chzechoslovakia and Austria ...
                but finally he miscalculated when he thought that noone would react to the partition of Poland between germany and russia
                The Munich was way earlier than September 17 of 1939, when Soviet army has entered Poland. You once again substitute the cause with the consequences.

                As for Putin ... I guess he already miscalculated with regards to the trade sanctions
                Say that to your European farmers or car manufacturers.

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                • Originally posted by Serb View Post
                  1) Chechnya is a part of Russia. Period.
                  I thought you would be in support of people who want to gain independence from their country ...
                  after all you also supported the independence of Crimea from Ukraina and are in ongoing support of those people in Donbass who want to gain independence of Ukraina (despite those probably being the minority ... at least if it would be voted for in truely independent elections with no pressure being put on the normal people ) .. not to forget that the russian wars in Georgia also were about parts of georgia who wanted independence of georgia.
                  One should think that for this reason you would be the first to recognize that the wish of the people of Chechnya for segregation would be legitimate.
                  Or do you say that russia is an oppressive regime that keeps its regions with force of weapons in the country ... despite the declared wishes of its inhabitants?
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                  • Originally posted by Serb View Post
                    Jesus was the first communist on this planet. So, it's up to you to guess what he would do.
                    Kill billions of people?

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                    • Originally posted by Serb View Post
                      The Munich was way earlier than September 17 of 1939, when Soviet army has entered Poland. You once again substitute the cause with the consequences.
                      Of course Munich was before Fall Weiss ...
                      first germany annexed Austria, then Czechoslowakia and finally, one month before the actual invasion of poland,
                      germany negiotiated the Molotov-Ribbentrop-Pact where poland and the rest of europe was divided between germany and russia.
                      As for russian participation I don´t think that it actually makes any difference that russias invasion of poland started 3 weeks after germanys start ... it was fait accompli before the actual invasion.

                      Originally posted by Serb View Post
                      Say that to your European farmers or car manufacturers.
                      Hm, I haven´t heard anything negative from european farmers so far.
                      And for car manufacturers I only know about VW ... and this has nothing to do with the trade sanctions ...
                      but rather with people in VWs upper management who also erroneously thought they had calculated everything 10 steps in advance
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • Nine staff dead and up to 37 injured in Médecins Sans Frontières hospital as charity says bombing continued for 30 minutes after it raised alarm

                        NATO is bombing hospitals

                        And these people say something about our airstrikes on terrorists
                        Knowledge is Power

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                        • Originally posted by Serb View Post
                          1)2) That was the West who has organized and supported the overthrow of the legitimate and democratically elected president of Ukraine, not Russia. Russia's actions were just a response, not the reason of the Ukrainian mess.
                          Originally posted by Serb View Post
                          The Munich was way earlier than September 17 of 1939, when Soviet army has entered Poland. You once again substitute the cause with the consequences.
                          It's curious how often Russia's 'responses' seem to involve them annexing other countries territory.

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                          • There's more!

                            Apparently a organizer of the black sea minorities forum went to complain about the harrassment of the greek mission and their seclusion to the hotel to the police station and they.... arrested her...


                            some freedom

                            nazis control Ukraine.

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                            • I heard that Russia bombs targets in Syria in a fair way - ISIS is bombed with a normal munitions, and moderate opposition is bombed with a moderate munitions. The difference between munitions is exactly the same as between ISIS and moderate opposition - moderate munitions are painted with a calm moderate colors.
                              Knowledge is Power

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                              • Originally posted by Serb View Post
                                Where is Saras, by the way?
                                Right here, sweetheart. Facing the dark abyss that is the average Russians' mind.
                                Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                                Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                                Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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