what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

Don't worry oedrin.
If **** hits the fan I'm sure you'll be able to get estonia to help you.

But you won't be able to kill any more arabs though. I know it hurts.

[Ellestar]

Russian tram from hell

[Kidlicious]

Not a single country which signed that treaty would dishonor that treaty if push came to shove. They all know their word is on the line and that no one would ever trust them again if they broke their word. This is even true for the Greek government even if Paiktis does not like Turks.

You mean like the way no one trusts Germany? Aren't they in NATO?

[Ellestar]

You mean like the way no one trusts Germany? Aren't they in NATO?

Together with France, the United Kingdom, and Italy who betrayed Czechoslovakia with their Munich Agreement. Then there was a Phoney War too.

[Dinner]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0U30JV20151220

In other news Russia is still mostly just bombing the moderates, still mainly using dumb bombs, and still mostly killing civilians.

[Bereta_Eder]

Is this the same as when you were supporting Israel and by reading just what you wrote the impression one got was that the civilian casualties were a bazzilion times more for the israelis whereas in reality it was exactly the opposite?

Why do you hate reality?

[NICE MOBIUS]

Muslim lives only mean anything to Oerdin when Russians are killing them...

[NICE MOBIUS]

I really must defend Mobius on this point.

It is grossly unfair to say Moby hates America more than anything.

Proof: Moby hates Australia as much as he hates America. It is therefore untrue to say Moby hates America more than anything.

I just hate stupid people. It is simply an unfortunate fact that there are a lot of stupid people in America and Australia

[NICE MOBIUS]

Talking of stupid: This reminded me of Kid

[Bereta_Eder]

HA

(there are some seriously ****ed up people in the world)

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Back on topic, for those who can be bothered to read http://www.politico.eu/article/star-...vs-kolomoisky/

One evening in late October, the skies above Dnipropetrovsk whirled with the sound of helicopters. Below, armored vehicles and a 500-strong SWAT team moved in assault formation. Even by Ukrainian standards, it was a dramatic scene. As he was dragged from his doorstep, the target of the exaggerated raid — the businessman-turned-politician Hennadiy Korban — seemed as shocked as anyone. Regardless of what he might have done, it just wasn’t how things were done in Ukraine.

Korban was airlifted away, first to Chernihiv, a provincial town north of Kiev, and then to the capital itself. His allies immediately cried foul, claiming political persecution. Prosecutors responded, after some delay, with an official explanation. The operation was “part of an ongoing battle with organized criminal groups,” they said. Korban was responsible for “kidnappings” and the “misappropriation of donations given for the frontline.”

A self-styled “conflict manager” who made his name in Ukraine’s ultraviolent 1990s, Korban could hardly profess moral purity. But claims of selective justice from a politically motivated prosecutor’s office rang too true, and Korban’s plight attracted support from quarters not ordinarily sympathetic to him.

It was, after all, no secret that Korban’s boss — the spiky, potent billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky — was in serious conflict with the country’s president, Petro Poroshenko.
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Kolomoisky begins to free himself from any visage of political correctness. The only difference between Poroshenko and Yanukovych, he says, is “a good education, good English and lack of a criminal record.” Everything else is the same: “It’s the same blood, the same flesh reincarnated. If Yanukovych was a lumpen dictator, Poroshenko is the educated usurper, slave to his absolute power, craven to absolute power.”
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In early spring 2014, the very future of Ukraine was in doubt. A popular revolution had paralyzed much of the nation, and had set in motion an altogether different wave of terrifying counterreactions across the east. Russia’s “little green men” began appearing on the shores of Crimea, separatist flames broke out across many eastern cities, and a screwy Russian military fantasist named Igor Girkin, aka “Strelkov,” barricaded himself in a sleepy town called Slavyansk. It was an explosive mix that even the most skilled or resourced authority in the world would have had trouble containing.

The new government of Ukraine was neither.

In the chaos, Kolomoisky seized the moment. First, he intervened to disrupt a plan that would have seen an alternative eastern republic established in Ukraine’s second city and former capital, Kharkiv.

Kolomoisky was good friends with city’s main power player, the crafty mayor Hennadiy Kernes, and he pushed him not to make a deal with the retreating Yanukovych. At this point Kernes was unsure of his allegiances; indeed, he seemed to be supporting the other side. “I told him he was risking everything by betting on the wrong horse,” Kolomoisky recalls. “He didn’t understand the regime was over.”

Kolomoisky persuaded Kernes to visit him in Geneva, which he did in late February 2015, after Yanukovych had fled for Russia. Unusually, Kernes was in full listening mode, and agreed with Kolomoisky that he would return to Kharkiv and declare himself a Ukrainian patriot. Slowly, the separatist storm in Kharkiv — at one point the most violent in the land — began to dampen down.

A few days later, Kolomoisky suggested to then acting president Oleksandr Turchynov that he be made governor of his native Dnipropetrovsk region, which had shown real signs of going the anarchic ways of neighboring Donetsk.
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Obviously, the appointment of Ukraine’s second richest man to high government position was not the most logical consequence of the Euromaidan revolution. But there was such disarray in Kiev, Turchynov readily agreed to the proposal.

In quick time, Kolomoisky delivered on security in Dnipropetrovsk. There were all kinds of rumors about how he did this: marches to the woods, summary shootings, gang warfare. Kolomoisky refuses to discuss the methods used, save for saying that faiWere I to disclose what we did”, he says, “Poroshenko would declare that I was part of an organized crime group and file criminal charges tomorrow.”

What was important was the result: “We had a problem, we dealt with it, and thank God we did.”

Dnipropetrovsk remained in a febrile situation for many months, and the job of defending it was not one for the faint-hearted. Local security officials repeatedly raised the threat of a Russian invasion to the highest level possible. Full mobilization plans were enacted — tanks, planes, special forces, artillery. And Kolomoisky took a leading role in creating new and well-equipped territorial “volunteer” battalions.

The most important thing, says the oligarch, was the process of securing the street. “If robbery, rape, murder and pillage had become the norm in Dnipropetrovsk, the people would have welcomed any strong hand, Ukrainian or not.”

the sweet taste of "freedom"... eh...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

HA

(there are some seriously ****ed up people in the world)

I wonder who will he vote for in the coming election?

[Egbert]

I just hate stupid people. It is simply an unfortunate fact that there are a lot of stupid people in America and Australia

True

Many Australians and Americans have Welsh descendants. Unfortunately, for both America and Australia, stupidity is hereditary.

[NICE MOBIUS]

In the US the Welsh were a very powerful force towards independence and governance in general to begin with. So it is a pity that they got outnumbered so quickly by their more stupid counterparts.

I imagine the same is true for Australia, I mean the best bit is named New South Wales after all.

However being a nation of convicts, your average English judge might not have deported them to OZ feeling that living in Wales at the time was punishment enough.

Of course, your average Welsh man deported to OZ was only standing up for his rights against the evil English - John Frost

[Bereta_Eder]