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    • I'm sorry but if you lack the ability to tell the difference between them, your university should rescind your degree.
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      • Jenny McCarthy supports crap science in the form of vaccine-phobia. Joseph Stalin supported crap science in the form of Lysenko's "theories."

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        • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
          I'm sorry but if you lack the ability to tell the difference between them, your university should rescind your degree.
          they wanna execute gays, aint no difference there

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          • Passing of anti-homosexuality act has 'given permission to a culture of extreme and violent homophobia', says Sexual Minorities Uganda



            Uganda anti-gay law led to tenfold rise in attacks on LGBTI people, report says

            Passing of anti-homosexuality act has 'given permission to a culture of extreme and violent homophobia', says Sexual Minorities Uganda

            theguardian.com, Sunday 11 May 2014

            Uganda has suffered an alarming rise in attacks on gay and lesbian people since it passed an anti-homosexuality law late last year, research has found.

            The report, compiled by Sexual Minorities Uganda, detailed an attempted lynching, mob violence, homes burned down, blackmail, lost jobs, arrests, evictions and suicides. The number of recorded incidents had increased tenfold, the group said. At least 25 people were reported to have fled Uganda, seeking asylum in neighbouring Kenya and Rwanda.

            In many cases tabloid newspapers published stories identifying men or women who were subsequently disowned by their family or assaulted in the street. Several are facing prosecution.

            The anti-homosexuality act (AHA) was ratified by the Ugandan parliament on 20 December last year and signed into force, in the face of international protests, by President Yoweri Museveni in late February.

            Consensual sex between same-sex adults had been illegal since British colonial rule. The new law, however, created additional crimes such as "aggravated homosexuality", where a couple living in a committed same-sex relationship face a life sentence; "promotion of homosexuality", which carries a five-year sentence; and "aiding and abetting homosexuality", with a maximum sentence of seven years.

            "The passing of AHA has given permission to a culture of extreme and violent homophobia whereby both state and non-state actors are free to persecute Uganda's LGBTI people with impunity," the report stated.

            The survey recorded 162 incidents since the legislation was passed by parliament. By comparison, Sexual Minorities Uganda recorded only eight incidents in the rest of 2013 and 19 in the whole of 2012.

            "[This] represents an increase of between 750% and 1,900% on previous years," the report noted, "an increase which can only be explained by the passage of the AHA and the virulently homophobic atmosphere this has engendered."

            In four cases, men accused of being gay were reported to have been kidnapped and tortured. There were 29 incidents where the media "outed" individuals who were later subjected to further persecution.

            A 17-year-old boy killed himself by swallowing rat poison and pills on 3 April because he felt his life had no further value, according to the survey.

            Jonathan Cooper of the London-based Human Dignity Trust, which supports legal action to decriminalise homosexuality around the world, said: "This report shows the human price that is paid when the LGBTI community is targeted in this way.

            "Instead of being able to get on with their lives whilst enjoying the prospect of love and intimacy that all people should be able to expect, LGBTI Ugandans are vilified, degraded and demeaned.

            "The Ugandan constitution must be applied to all Ugandans and Uganda has to stop tormenting its LGBTI citizens and start respecting their human rights."



            UPDATED: CRISIS IN UGANDA: Six LGBTs Murdered In Uganda In A Week

            By The Gay UK, Aug 18 2014 02:44PM

            Unconfirmed reports are being made that at least six LGBT people have been stoned to death in Uganda, after the Country’s Anti-Homosexuality Act (AHA) was annulled.

            By Newsdesk | 18th August 2014

            We are in the process of validating this story - to read the full statement by the Friends New Underground Railroad, please click here.


            Ugandan LGBT activists have reported that at least 6 gay, lesbian and transgender individuals have been killed in rural areas of the African nation.


            Three gay men, two lesbians and one transgender person were allegedly amongst the victims.


            ‘One who survived (still breathing after stoning) was burnt alive using kerosene / paraffin and a matchbox,’ a witness and a source to the Friends New Underground Railroad FNUR, a Quaker solidarity imitative helping LGBT people in Uganda, stated, according to this press statement.

            A seventh gay man was reported to have been attacked, by a mob. He died from his injuries a day later.

            According to the source, a rural vigilant mob attacked the 28-year-old gay man in a different zone on August 5th. ‘I went to the scene,’ wrote the eyewitness in an email. ‘I saved him, when I lied to the mob that let me take him to the police.’

            The witness stated that he was able to convince the mob he would deliver the victim to the police, but instead put him on a boda boda, (motorcycle) and rescued him. The victim was later denied medical care, he alleged, because he lacked funds to pay.’

            The news comes after around 200 LGBT activists and allies celebrated the annulment of the AHA.

            On August 1st, Uganda’s AHA (Anti-Homosexuality Act) was annulled after it was discovered that the bill was passed without Quorum.

            However 215 of 375 MPs have already signed a petition to reintroduce and ‘fast-track’ a revised law.

            ‘I am confident we shall have the bill retabled and passed into law overwhelmingly,’ MP Latif Ssebaggala told IRIN News.

            The repealed AHA calls for up a 14 years sentence for anyone found guilty of “homosexual acts” and a life sentence for those convicted of “aggravated” offenses – such as those committed by HIV-positive individuals, or involving the disabled, minors or serial offenders.


            The promotion of homosexuality is outlawed, and citizens have been urged in the media to denounce and ferret out presumed LGBT people.


            A wave of evictions has also followed, as families and landlords kicked out LGBT individuals, fearing arrest themselves under the AHA.


            TheGayUK hasn't been able to confirm these reports.


            We reached out to FNUR for comment on whether the accusations were true, a statement from the organisation stated,


            'The press release is by Anne-christine d'Adesky, Founder of Safe Passage Fund - with input from Friends New Underground Railroad.


            'We are aware that there are claims that that "there is no truth to the claims made in the release."


            'We - the Quakers in Olympia, WA and the activists we support in Uganda - all understand the importance of corroborating the work they are doing. FNUR reports as much information as we can and operate this project as transparently as we are able - while protecting the identities of those whose work we support. They are on the ground working to save others. The safety and well being of the activists/conductors and their passengers is our reason for creating FNUR and it is our only consideration. We respect and follow what the security team and others we work with in Uganda ask us to reveal or not to media folks and others.'
            David Kato, the activist, was one of the most visible defenders of gay rights in a country where leaders have proposed executing gay people.

            Ugandan Who Spoke Up for Gays Is Beaten to Death


            The Lede Blog: Before His Death, Ugandan Gay Rights Activist Explained Hostile Climate (January 27, 2011)

            As the most outspoken gay rights advocate in Uganda, a country where homophobia is so severe that Parliament is considering a bill to execute gay people, Mr. Kato had received a stream of death threats, his friends said. A few months ago, a Ugandan newspaper ran an antigay diatribe with Mr. Kato’s picture on the front page under a banner urging, “Hang Them.”

            On Wednesday afternoon, Mr. Kato was beaten to death with a hammer in his rough-and-tumble neighborhood. Police officials were quick to chalk up the motive to robbery, but members of the small and increasingly besieged gay community in Uganda suspect otherwise.

            “David’s death is a result of the hatred planted in Uganda by U.S. evangelicals in 2009,” Val Kalende, the chairwoman of one of Uganda’s gay rights groups, said in a statement. “The Ugandan government and the so-called U.S. evangelicals must take responsibility for David’s blood.”

            Ms. Kalende was referring to visits in March 2009 by a group of American evangelicals, who held rallies and workshops in Uganda discussing how to turn gay people straight, how gay men sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” intended to “defeat the marriage-based society.”

            The Americans involved said they had no intention of stoking a violent reaction. But the antigay bill was drafted shortly thereafter. Some of the Ugandan politicians and preachers who wrote it had attended those sessions and said that they had discussed the legislation with the Americans.

            After growing international pressure and threats from a few European countries to cut assistance — Uganda relies on hundreds of millions of dollars of aid — Uganda’s president, Yoweri Museveni, indicated that the bill would be scrapped.

            But more than a year later, that has not happened, and the legislation remains a simmering issue in Parliament. Some political analysts say the bill could be passed in the coming months, after a general election in February that is expected to return Mr. Museveni, who has been in office for 25 years, to power.

            On Thursday, Don Schmierer, one of the American evangelicals who visited Uganda in 2009, said Mr. Kato’s death was “horrible.”

            “Naturally, I don’t want anyone killed, but I don’t feel I had anything to do with that,” said Mr. Schmierer, who added that in Uganda he had focused on parenting skills. He also said that he had been a target of threats himself, recently receiving more than 600 messages of hate mail related to his visit.

            “I spoke to help people,” he said, “and I’m getting bludgeoned from one end to the other.”

            Many Africans view homosexuality as an immoral Western import, and the continent is full of harsh homophobic laws. In northern Nigeria, gay men can face death by stoning. In Kenya, which is considered one of the more Westernized nations in Africa, gay people can be sentenced to years in prison.

            But Uganda seems to be on the front lines of this battle. Conservative Christian groups that espouse antigay beliefs have made great headway in this country and wield considerable influence. Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity, James Nsaba Buturo, who describes himself as a devout Christian, has said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”

            At the same time, American groups that defend gay rights have also poured money into Uganda to help the beleaguered gay community.

            In October, a Ugandan newspaper called Rolling Stone (with a circulation of roughly 2,000 and no connection to the American magazine) published an article that included photos and the whereabouts of gay men and lesbians, including several well-known activists like Mr. Kato.

            The paper said homosexuals were raiding schools and recruiting children, a belief that is quite widespread in Uganda and has helped drive the homophobia.

            Mr. Kato and a few other activists sued the paper and won. This month, Uganda’s High Court ordered Rolling Stone to pay hundreds of dollars in damages and to cease publishing the names of people it said were gay.

            But the danger remained.

            “I had to move houses,” said Stosh Mugisha, a woman who is going through a transition to become a man. “People tried to stone me. It’s so scary. And it’s getting worse.”

            On Thursday, Giles Muhame, Rolling Stone’s managing editor, said he did not think that Mr. Kato’s killing had anything to do with what his paper had published.

            “There is no need for anxiety or for hype,” he said. “We should not overblow the death of one.”

            But that one man was considered a founding father of Uganda’s nascent gay rights movement. In an interview in 2009, Mr. Kato shared his life story, how he was raised in a conservative family where “we grew up brainwashed that it was wrong to be in love with a man.”

            He was a high school teacher who had graduated from some of Uganda’s best schools, and he moved to South Africa in the mid-1990s, where he came out. A few years ago, he organized what he claimed was Uganda’s first gay rights news conference in Kampala, the capital, and said he was punched in the face and cracked in the nose by police officers soon afterward.

            Friends said that Mr. Kato had recently put an alarm system in his house and was killed by an acquaintance, someone who had been inside several times before and was seen by neighbors on Wednesday. Mr. Kato’s neighborhood on the outskirts of Kampala is known as a rough one, where several people have recently been beaten to death with iron bars.

            Judith Nabakooba, a police spokeswoman, said Mr. Kato’s death did not appear to be a hate crime, though the investigation had just started. “It looks like theft, as some things were stolen,” Ms. Nabakooba said.

            But Nikki Mawanda, a friend who was born female and lives as a man, said: “This is a clear signal. You don’t know who’s going to do it to you.”

            Mr. Kato was in his mid-40s, his friends said. He was a fast talker, fidgety, bespectacled, slightly built and constantly checking over his shoulder, even in the envelope of darkness of an empty lot near a disco, where he was interviewed in 2009.

            He said then that he wanted to be a “good human rights defender, not a dead one, but an alive one.”
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            • Doc, do you realize that that's comparable to saying that all Muslims are responsible for 9-11?
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              • If we equate evangelicals with christian fundamentalists, then there are de facto some of them who support marriage equality (at least for state marriages). And are attacked by other christian fundamentalists for it

                Unfortunately, the arguments leveled against us by our critics had little to do with our mission. Instead, we faced mischaracterizations that bore only a passing resemblance to our statement of belief, and even faced some misguided attacks on our personal standing as evangelical Christians.
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                • “We should not overblow the death of one.”
                  lol, tell that to christians
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                  • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                    Doc, do you realize that that's comparable to saying that all Muslims are responsible for 9-11?
                    No, I haven't said anything about Muslims at all.
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                    • When relatively large minorities of a group support executing people because of their sexuality and absolute majorities of the same group demand that sexual minorities be legally deprived of equal rights then I think it is very fair to say that group as a whole is culpable for the policies they support and enact.

                      There is no getting around the fact that evangelical groups caused these people to be killed, attacked in the streets, to be legally deprived of their basic human rights and all the other negative things which happened. Different strains of the flu might be more virulent than others but they are all still the flu, the same disease, and the world would definitely be a better place if that disease was stamped out. Extremist Christians... Extremist Muslims... One says gays should be killed but they don't want to do it themselves where as the other wants gays killed and is willing to do it themselves. It's the same disease of religious extremism just with different levels of virulence.
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                      • Well obviously leftists want a more equal distribution between the rich and poor and so did STALIN . He just did it forcefully. Lefties want equality to happen, but don't want to get their hands dirty to do it themselves, while Stalin was! Same disease!!!1!!
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                        • 1. So, what percentage of American Fundamentalists (however you choose to define that term) knowingly supports ***-bashing lynch-mobs in Africa? As opposed to writing a check to Reverend Whoever's Family Gospel Fund and not bothering over the details.
                          2. All of Strangelove's deaths (including lynchings, execution, and suicide) account for about as many as ISIS kills in one day. And a slow day, at that.
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                          • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                            When relatively large minorities of a group support executing people because of their sexuality and absolute majorities of the same group demand that sexual minorities be legally deprived of equal rights then I think it is very fair to say that group as a whole is culpable for the policies they support and enact.

                            There is no getting around the fact that evangelical groups caused these people to be killed, attacked in the streets, to be legally deprived of their basic human rights and all the other negative things which happened. Different strains of the flu might be more virulent than others but they are all still the flu, the same disease, and the world would definitely be a better place if that disease was stamped out. Extremist Christians... Extremist Muslims... One says gays should be killed but they don't want to do it themselves where as the other wants gays killed and is willing to do it themselves. It's the same disease of religious extremism just with different levels of virulence.
                            By this logic you are responsible for the persecution of Christians since you say bad things about them. You genocidal maniac!
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                            • Muslims can lie for their religion. That makes sense.

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                              • This right-wing American Christian fundie laments that Christians are not as brave nor as devoted to their beliefs as the ISIS is.
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