Bill Maher: Islam is inherently worse than other religions.

[ricketyclik]

The ISLAMIC state of Iraq and Syria does.

Or are you going to bleat like Barack and insist that they aren't 'true' Islam? Shouldn't we take these folks at face value?



So when are you going to condemn ISIS? Say we accept your premise. Surely then that would mean holding ISIS responsible for their barbarism. Instead you're calling out the 'Great Satan'.

Why?

Is it because you believe that America is the moral equivalent to ISIS?

I do condemn ISIS. What is being discussed here is the notion that it is representative of the billions of Muslims across the world. Yes they say they are, but I could say I represent you, and that wouldn't make it true, would it?

[Berzerker]

Mhmm. Are you suggesting that the due process of law in America by which capitol punishment operates is at all comparable to ISIS and their wanton slaughter of Christians?

Of course not, you mentioned ISIS, not me... See, thats called a strawman. And you didn't answer the question. You just changed the subject...

[Berzerker]

Hey Berz, answer the damn question.

Can I read it first? And of all people to be demanding answers to questions

[ricketyclik]

If they only have the support of a tiny minority as you and other members of the "oh so tolerant Left" allege, why is the US constantly the one called upon to lead the fight against such extremism? Shouldn't such groups be squashed by the very populations they seek to oppress?

I got rid of your nonsensical argument and tried to give you a semi-coherent one in the same theme.

This is a valid question, but not the one raised in the OP.

[DinoDoc]

Question: They call themselves the Islamic State. I gather Islamic State of Iraq and Syria was a former name and one that most of the press and public uses. Where did ISIL come from and why did it gain such currency with the American government over the groups actual name?

[Ben Kenobi]

Is it because you believe that America is the moral equivalent to ISIS?

Answer this question, Ricketyclick.

I do condemn ISIS.

Where? The only folks you've condemned are Americans.

the notion that it is representative of the billions of Muslims across the world

Oh. I see.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

There have been 23k Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide since 9/11. Twenty-three thousand. Now, I can accept your argument. However, given that there have been 23 thousand, about 5 Islamic terrorist attacks every single day, that's an awful large chunk of Muslims, whom ISIS actually does represent.

Twenty-three thousand, the largest of which is today - on 9/11. Suppose you're right. Suppose we can attribute this to individuals that have absolutely no connection with Islam whatsoever. It's all madness and bloodthirst, love of combat and love of killing. But not Islam.

Let me ask a simple question - what would it take for you to conclude that Islam is the problem? Is there any circumstance that would cause you to doubt your thesis?

[DinoDoc]

This is a valid question, but not the one raised in the OP.

You were challenging the notion that extremist, militant Islamists represent anything like the majority of Muslims. The mirror universe Ben would have only been trying to get you to flesh that line of thinking out beyond the bumper sticker slogan it is at now.

[Ben Kenobi]

you mentioned ISIS, not me... See, thats called a strawman. And you didn't answer the question. You just changed the subject

So the answer then is no. Which makes ricketyclik's 'point' a non-sequitor, intended to deflect criticism of the prophet.

[Ben Kenobi]

This is a valid question, but not the one raised in the OP.

Amazingly, ricketyclik dodges the question rather than answer it. Gosh.

[ricketyclik]

JFC Ben, I really shouldn't lower myself but:

No, I don't think the USA is the moral equivalent of ISIL.

I condemned ISIL where I said "I condemn ISIS". It was the first time it came up, and it was a non-sequitur in any case.

Let me see, 23K/2.1B = 0.001%. Not bad going, especially in the face of continual, blatant hostility from the likes of you. So yes, I'd say it's a peaceful religion.

I'm done responding to your BS for a while.

[Dinner]

You were challenging the notion that extremist, militant Islamists represent anything like the majority of Muslims. The mirror universe Ben would have only been trying to get you to flesh that line of thinking out beyond the bumper sticker slogan it is at now.

Watch the video because a section deals specifically with this topic. When you no longer have 80% of Muslims in a country like Egypt believing apostates should be executed then we can talk about the religion not being inherently violent. It won't happen though because the Akron specifically says apostates must be executed. That is part of the violence inherent to Islam.

That inherent violence is what makes it so much worse and more objectionable than the other religious nonsense.

[Dinner]

Oh, and let's not forget that across the.Midwest 50% feel that people should be killed for drawing a cartoon about their original cult leader. Again Maher directly deals with this issue so actually watch the video.

[Berzerker]

So the answer then is no. Which makes ricketyclik's 'point' a non-sequitor, intended to deflect criticism of the prophet.

you quoted his point and then replaced it with your strawman

"Saudi Arabians perform beheadings too". The USA is one of the few western nations with capital punishment. Strawman.

thats what he said and you changed Saudi Arabians to ISIS

[ricketyclik]

When you no longer have 80% of Muslims in a country like Egypt believing apostates should be executed then we can talk about the religion not being inherently violent.

...50% feel that people should be killed for drawing a cartoon about their original cult leader.

Despite the cherry-picking nature of these statistics I would like to see sources please. Oh, and if you insist on referring to Mohammed as a cult leader please don't be insulted if JC is referred to as such. Or Abe Lincoln, or whoever it is your heroes are.

[Kidlicious]

Islam > liberalism