Help me understand human nature

[Bereta_Eder]

All of that is done in the US. It might be a little harder for some single men but everyone can make it.

If that's the case why do you have so many millions uninsured people and so many homeless people?

[Kidlicious]

So these things need to be taken under consideration.
Get a black kid (or whatever kid) and raise him in a stable household that is in a position to provide him with a good education and a safe environment and he could provide you with the cure for cancer.
He won't, if he's stuck at the ghettos.

Ah. This is why it is hard to communicate. I already know what you are telling me.

[Elok]

The state only forces the parent to pay up for the kid. That's it.

A person could well chose to raise a kid by him/her self.
That's what in vitro fertilization clinics are for.
So what? Who are you (or me or whoever) who will say no?
The system is tuned to the "go forth and multiply" factor

I know, and that's a problem, because single parenthood increases the odds of just about everything bad happening to a kid. It basically jump-starts the cycle of poverty, assuming Mama wasn't there already. And I don't see a feasible way out of it.

[Kidlicious]

If that's the case why do you have so many millions uninsured people and so many homeless people?

Homelessness is caused mostly by addiction, mental illness and manhood. I'm not going to get into health insurance.

[Bereta_Eder]

It does increase them.
That's why the state has to be there and provide so that there is equality.
The reasons this happens should be indifferent to the state.
The vast majority of people do want a partner in their lives.
They shouldn't be penalized because they don't have one and neither should the kids.

That's just human nature.
Wedlocks lasted longer simply because there was oppression and women couldn't stand on their own feet.

[Bereta_Eder]

Homelessness is caused mostly by addiction, mental illness and manhood. I'm not going to get into health insurance.

So why do you have more addiction, mental illness and ?manhood? What's that? I thought that was just the state of being a man. Does that lead to homelesness??!

[Kidlicious]

So why do you have more addiction, mental illness and ?manhood? What's that? I thought that was just the state of being a man. Does that lead to homelesness??!

Idk. Point is they can't maintain a home. They have to be taken care of. Those that can keep a job and maintain a home eventually do.

Edit: There isn't as much service for men. There's lack of shelters and men are more likely to sleep outside.

[C0ckney]

I don't mean to imply that feminism was all about sex--but for the context of the present discussion, concerning marriage, we need only concern ourselves with the parts of feminism having to do with sex and sexual relationships. Voting rights, equal employment, discrimination, etc. are largely irrelevant, I should think. I always thought the important thing about the sexual revolution of the sixties was the invention of the pill; I don't know how that ties in to the sudden radicalization (can't think of a better word) that led to legalized abortion and all that.

ah ok. i thought you meant that feminism came out of the sexual revolution. i think that cheap, reliable, contraceptive methods (especially condoms) were available before the pill came out. i see the pill as a symbol, rather than a cause of, the new sexual freedom in that era. i suppose the radicalisation as you put it, came largely from the campaigns for contraception (its availability and education about it), which themselves came from various social and political movements, second wave feminism, gay liberation, free love and the general rejection of old social mores and morals by the post-war generation.

Regardless, single-parent families are pure demographic poison and I don't see them as tenable in the long term. Even if the government steps in to provide extra financial support to make up for the lost breadwinner, kids still need the extra attention, and moms need the extra help, from a second parent. And if single-parent families continue to rise, the government's family-assisting resources will be under an ever-greater strain.

i don't see why they aren't tenable in the long term. we've seen an increase in single parent families over the last 50 years, and although there have been some negative consequences, there's no reason why it can't go on. also, even if we accept for the sake of argument that it is as you say, what exactly could be done about it?

[Bereta_Eder]

Idk. Point is they can't maintain a home. They have to be taken care of. Those that can keep a job and maintain a home eventually do.

Well, that's great too

[Ben Kenobi]

why do you have more addiction

Hrm? Russia has higher addiction levels.

[Elok]

i don't see why they aren't tenable in the long term. we've seen an increase in single parent families over the last 50 years, and although there have been some negative consequences, there's no reason why it can't go on. also, even if we accept for the sake of argument that it is as you say, what exactly could be done about it?

There's a snowball effect at work; single-parent children tend to have single-parent children of their own, and so on. And since SP is associated with earlier pregnancy, earlier sexual activity, worse academic performance, etc., the problem is going to increasingly erode the social safety net designed to contain or mitigate it. You can't tax predestinate paupers in order to support them. The problem isn't so bad now, but it is getting worse. As to what could be done: nothing by force or fiat. But if the problem gets bad enough, I imagine that the social mores which rolled in one direction will start rolling in the other. Of course, it will be much more difficult to roll them back, and the increased poverty will be vicious and painful, but . . .

[Bereta_Eder]

Academic progress can be also hindered by a problematic two parent family but fly to the top with a happy one parent family. There are no absolutes here.

[Bereta_Eder]

Hrm? Russia has higher addiction levels.

Kid was associating homelessness with addiction levels.

[Elok]

Academic progress can be also hindered by a problematic two parent family but fly to the top with a happy one parent family. There are no absolutes here.

No, but there are very strong statistical tendencies. Are you a parent? Even if you've got a dynamite job pulling in six figures (and most single parents are not), you have a limited amount of time and energy to spare for your child(ren). Perhaps if you're rich and have a couple of very good nannies and private tutors, and so on, the kid will turn out just as good. But two parents are better than one, all else being equal. And the bulk of single parents are not paying tens or hundreds of thousands for in vitro or adoption.

[Bereta_Eder]

But you can have something else that aids you: an extended family.

Besides, between a two parent family that doesn't value education at all and a single parent one that does, the second always delivers.