Help me understand human nature

[Kidlicious]

If they live in poverty and in a culture that promotes this then nothing will change. The problem is that even if you manage to prop up such a community, another will be created elsewhere because your system favors accumulation of wealth above all other things.

No sir. My system favors the rule of law, reason and justice.

[Bereta_Eder]

If they were there would be results.

[Bereta_Eder]

No sir. My system favors the rule of law, reason and justice.

If the rule of law is that only the rich survive, reason serves this purpose and justice endorses it then yes

[Bereta_Eder]

I've never been to america so don't take me very seriously.
I'd love to visit though, both connecticut and bronx.

[Kidlicious]

If they were there would be results.

Again, how can you say that? What are the results of teaching black children that they are victims who can't survive in a capitalist society? If teaching them that is good where are the results?

[Kidlicious]

If the rule of law is that only the rich survive, reason serves this purpose and justice endorses it then yes

It is the protection of property etc...

[Elok]

On the matter of support, it's not that those countries (and those like them) have something specific for one parent families, it's just that their whole social welfare safetynet is pretty good.
The state actually forces the other parent to provide for his/her kids. That's what it's all about.
For example in Germany the state pays itself the alimony for the kid, and then demands it from the father (most times) or the parent who doesn't live with the kid.

Legislation is actually in place to make parents act like real parents and not d!cks. That doesn't put strain on the state itself. If a country has good social welfare net, it does so for all things.

Ah, so this would be where American hyper-individualism comes into play. Or perhaps just American distrust of the state. If you tried that here, you'd get "Do you think Big Government knows better how to raise a child than honest American citizens? Now excuse me, I have to go buy some pudding and pop-tarts, it's about lunchtime for my kids."

Also I don't think that anyone "chooses" to be a single parent. The dream when one gets married is that he/she will have the other one as companion, supporter a co-walker/carrier of weights in life.

Well, they do choose, but in the form of not aborting the kid. And I assume that a certain small percentage of the population is actually dumb enough to think it's a good idea for some unfathomable reason, because there is no idea so moronic that someone out there doesn't think it sounds swell. But, yeah. Kids get conceived by accident, couples get divorced, men or women turn out to be drunk or abusive or negligent or flat-out crazy. Or sometimes a parent just dies.

[Bereta_Eder]

The state only forces the parent to pay up for the kid. That's it.

A person could well chose to raise a kid by him/her self.
That's what in vitro fertilization clinics are for.
So what? Who are you (or me or whoever) who will say no?
The system is tuned to the "go forth and multiply" factor

[Bereta_Eder]

Again, how can you say that? What are the results of teaching black children that they are victims who can't survive in a capitalist society? If teaching them that is good where are the results?

Someone here wrote that only because his last name was different he had to deal with all sort of crap at school.

[Bereta_Eder]

It is the protection of property etc...

That's not a god given right.

[Kidlicious]

That's not a god given right.

Didn't say it is. My point is that a society that values the right to individual property functiond much better.

[Bereta_Eder]

Didn't say it is. My point is that a society that values the right to individual property functiond much better.

I agree but a society where provisions and protections are given to everyone is much better.

[Kidlicious]

Someone here wrote that only because his last name was different he had to deal with all sort of crap at school.

So what?

[Kidlicious]

I agree but a society where provisions and protections are given to everyone is much better.

All of that is done in the US. It might be a little harder for some single men but everyone can make it.

[Bereta_Eder]

So these things need to be taken under consideration.
Get a black kid (or whatever kid) and raise him in a stable household that is in a position to provide him with a good education and a safe environment and he could provide you with the cure for cancer.
He won't, if he's stuck at the ghettos.