Israeli Police Beat 15 year old American Citizen

[Dauphin]

Because it is the main reason for the casualty imbalance that Sava finds so disconcerting.

You are misusing the definite article and missing a simple concept of efficiency for one of effectiveness.

[Al B. Sure!]

There's another major difference between the IDF's counterinsurgency and every counterinsurgency operation, successful or not, the US military has conducted from the Filippino Insurgency of 1899, to the Haitian, Dominican, and Central American occupations of the Banana Wars, the Vietnam War, to Iraq and Afghanistan: the use of host nation forces. Employing local forces against insurgents, creating joint American-local units, etc. has been standard in every American counterinsurgency. It has its own risks and pitfalls but the merits, at least in principle, should be obvious: same nation forces, of the same people and culture of the insurgents, are taking ownership of their country and giving legitimacy to the US-supported government.

Consider T.E. Lawrence's observation: "Do not try to do too much with your own hands. Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them."

Until Israel reaches out to moderate Palestinians to combat extremism in Gaza and the West Bank, the conflict will always be, both in fact and in the all-important perception, one of Israel vs Palestine. Such a war can only be resolved through extermination or subjugation.

[Sava]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-sderot-cinema-image-shows-israelis-with-popcorn-and-chairs-cheering-as-missiles-strike-palestinian-targets-9602704.html

[regexcellent]

Which sentence is more accurate?

Israel is bombing Hamas.
Israel is bombing Gaza.

Neither one. Both is equally true. Hamas is bombing Israel with rockets.

There's another major difference between the IDF's counterinsurgency and every counterinsurgency operation, successful or not, the US military has conducted from the Filippino Insurgency of 1899, to the Haitian, Dominican, and Central American occupations of the Banana Wars, the Vietnam War, to Iraq and Afghanistan: the use of host nation forces. Employing local forces against insurgents, creating joint American-local units, etc. has been standard in every American counterinsurgency. It has its own risks and pitfalls but the merits, at least in principle, should be obvious: same nation forces, of the same people and culture of the insurgents, are taking ownership of their country and giving legitimacy to the US-supported government.

Consider T.E. Lawrence's observation: "Do not try to do too much with your own hands. Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them."

Until Israel reaches out to moderate Palestinians to combat extremism in Gaza and the West Bank, the conflict will always be, both in fact and in the all-important perception, one of Israel vs Palestine. Such a war can only be resolved through extermination or subjugation.

Israel isn't conducting counter-insurgency in Gaza, it's fighting what amounts to a hostile government.

Hamas is not "winning" by sending rockets over. It is "winning" by making Israel generate recruits for Hamas through civilian deaths and mass refugees.

Hamas isn't winning this at all. This is net negative for Hamas. Last time Israel did this was in 2008 and Hamas was mostly quiet for 6 years after that. They're mowing the lawn. Cutting Hamas down to size for a while by destroying its weapons and killing its fighters and leadership. Eventually the grass will grow back and it will be time to bring out the lawnmower again.

The difference between this time and last time is that it's a lot less disruptive to the Israeli economy now that Iron Dome exists, so mowing the lawn is a lot easier.

[Ben Kenobi]

There's another major difference between the IDF's counterinsurgency and every counterinsurgency operation, successful or not, the US military has conducted from the Filippino Insurgency of 1899, to the Haitian, Dominican, and Central American occupations of the Banana Wars, the Vietnam War, to Iraq and Afghanistan: the use of host nation forces. Employing local forces against insurgents, creating joint American-local units, etc. has been standard in every American counterinsurgency. It has its own risks and pitfalls but the merits, at least in principle, should be obvious: same nation forces, of the same people and culture of the insurgents, are taking ownership of their country and giving legitimacy to the US-supported government.

Were the Filipinos attempting to eradicate America?

[kentonio]

There's another major difference between the IDF's counterinsurgency and every counterinsurgency operation, successful or not, the US military has conducted from the Filippino Insurgency of 1899, to the Haitian, Dominican, and Central American occupations of the Banana Wars, the Vietnam War, to Iraq and Afghanistan: the use of host nation forces. Employing local forces against insurgents, creating joint American-local units, etc. has been standard in every American counterinsurgency. It has its own risks and pitfalls but the merits, at least in principle, should be obvious: same nation forces, of the same people and culture of the insurgents, are taking ownership of their country and giving legitimacy to the US-supported government.

Consider T.E. Lawrence's observation: "Do not try to do too much with your own hands. Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them."

Until Israel reaches out to moderate Palestinians to combat extremism in Gaza and the West Bank, the conflict will always be, both in fact and in the all-important perception, one of Israel vs Palestine. Such a war can only be resolved through extermination or subjugation.

Alby, America are ****ing terrible at counter insurgency and always have been, which is why you keep losing counter insurgency wars. So please STFU about the U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual.

K, thanks.

[Sava]

btw sorry for the more-than-usual amount of insults

I had a stressful day yesterday

yall are good sports and i lurv you

except ****ing mobious

[N35t0r]

Yeah, **** you too!

[Dr Strangelove]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9602704.html

Odd, when I brought that page up a dark silm covered the page. I could barely see the article and pictures.

[Felch]

Alby, America are ****ing terrible at counter insurgency and always have been, which is why you keep losing counter insurgency wars. So please STFU about the U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual.

K, thanks.

Ken is actually right for once.

[C0ckney]

I thought this thread was about this: Young American Jew Stands up for Palestine. You Won’t Believe what Happens Next

My bad...

i'm sure regcollider will be along in a minute to call him an anti-semite.

[The Mad Monk]

Israel accepts Egyptian plan, Hamas rejects.

"The plan is laughable, tantamount to surrendering!", said a Hamas official, "we'd much rather have them blow up more civilians!"

[N35t0r]

Well duh, it's in their best interest.

[Felch]

Felch: The reason why the Israelis don't simply kill everyone in Gaza is that even the US would baulk at supporting them if that happened

Clearly you don't know or understand Americans at all. We believe the only crime in war is losing.

[molly bloom]

Even I don't think Americans are as dumb and bloodthirsty as that!

It does explain the invasion of mighty nuclear power Grenada and the Reagan government support for the Contras against Nicaragua's bloodthirsty well-armed unkillable millions, camped only millimetres away from the U.S. .