Pope excommunicates the Mafia

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey everyone! Your marriage is BK's business!

Marriage is not a private affair. It is very public. It requires a witness.

[Sava]

Kick that up the crazy chain and make sure the tea party folks run with that slogan.

[Ben Kenobi]

Kick that up the crazy chain and make sure the tea party folks run with that slogan.

The interesting consequence of the argument that, "Marriage is a private affair", results in arguing that gay people should be denied benefits.

[Sava]

That's your argument no matter what. Because you're a hateful little bigot.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's your argument no matter what. Because you're a hateful little bigot.

The point I'm trying to draw is that gay marriage advocates are assuming that 'marriage is a public affair'

[Sava]

I think "gay marriage advocates" is a large group of people who each have their own views, motives, and assumptions.

You dumb fuck.

[Elok]

now please explain how God made pot but doesn't want us to use it.

You realize, of course, that God made electricity, silicon, copper, radio waves, and the human brain. Is it therefore clear that He wants BK to post stupid crap on the internet?

[Ben Kenobi]

I think "gay marriage advocates" is a large group of people who each have their own views, motives, and assumptions.

The argument, "gay marriage should be legal" presupposes that gay marriage is a public affair.

Take it up with them.

[Berzerker]

You realize, of course, that God made electricity, silicon, copper, radio waves, and the human brain. Is it therefore clear that He wants BK to post stupid crap on the internet?

The path to enlightenment is better illuminated by the contrasting darkness of stupidity

The same state of England that actually executed Catholic priests? You need to do some reading. For 250 years there weren't any bishops in England. Why do you think the Calverts founded Maryland?

Whats that got to do with the behavior of the Catholic Church?

Yes, I'm sure he would have thought that the whole motivation behind the argument for dope is that it makes people well.

Motives change with the person, what is medicine for you may be a source of pleasure for someone else. How did you get the moral authority to make those decisions for everyone? I thought you didn't want politicians making our medical decisions.

Marriage requires a public witness.

Why? Adam and Eve didn't have any public witness.

There are laws against bigamy and polygamy.

and you support those laws... you dont believe in traditional marriage.

Again, we have a fundamental disagreement on the role of marriage in society.

I dont think its my business who other people marry, you do think its your business. Thats our disagreement.

Marriage is not a private act conducted in secret.

Go right ahead and intrude upon someone's marriage and find out if its a public event.

[Ben Kenobi]

Whats that got to do with the behavior of the Catholic Church?

You say, "the Catholic church was never subject to persecution". I cite an example which you brush off. Don't you ever tire of playing this crap game?

Motives change with the person, what is medicine for you may be a source of pleasure for someone else. How did you get the moral authority to make those decisions for everyone? I thought you didn't want politicians making our medical decisions.

I want dope out of my community after dopeheads stole from me and my family to pay for their habits. You say 'dope is a harmless drug', I don't see smokers stealing from me. I don't see drinkers stealing from me. I thought you believed in private property. Clearly dope >>> private property.

Marriage requires a public witness. Why? Adam and Eve didn't have any public witness.

Good question. Because marriage is a public institution. If it were wholly private, there would be no divorce laws, no protection of either spouse in the case that they are left alone, no division of property a whole not of nothing. Everything with marriage is publicly regulated - from wills all the way down. Why? Society values marriage to the point where it is willing to enforce norms on those who marry.

This is why the whole gay marriage argument is crap. They argue that their exclusion is a reason why marriage is wrong. Marriage is supposed to be exclusionary, it's a man and a woman choosing to bind themselves, publicly, to their spouse. For life.

There are laws against bigamy and polygamy. and you support those laws... you dont believe in traditional marriage.

I believe in the English Common Law definition of marriage, which has existed as long as there has been an English common law. I believe in matrimony, which has existed since the time of the Roman Empire.

Is that insufficiently 'traditional' for you? Yes, I believe that each husband should have his own wife and not have to share. Each wife should have her own husband and not have to share.

I dont think its my business who other people marry, you do think its your business. Thats our disagreement.

Do you think divorce laws should be enforced? Laws barring incest? Polygamy? Bigamy?

Marriage is not a private act conducted in secret. Go right ahead and intrude upon someone's marriage and find out if its a public event.

Any marriage conducted in private without a public witness is not valid. This is the law. It's there for a good reason. Ironically, your argument completely destroys legal recognition of gay marriage, as you are arguing they should not be awarded marriage licenses, should not receive any recognition at all.

[rah]

You're entitled to politic against gay marriage just like the Klan was entitled to politic against blacks voting. Both infringe on peoples rights due to their race or sexual orientation.

And the comparison is deserved.

[kentonio]

Whats that got to do with the behavior of the Catholic Church?

He's been inventing imaginary persecutions of Catholics for years. He once claimed that something like a million Catholics had been murdered in Tudor England, something only he seems to know anything about.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're entitled to politic against gay marriage just like the Klan was entitled to politic against blacks voting. Both infringe on peoples rights due to their race or sexual orientation.

People do not have the right to marry whomever they want whenever they want. There are plenty of laws which restrict someone from marrying another person. Do you think all of these laws should go too, because they are discriminatory?

Two, what about children? Don't children have a right to have a father and a mother?

And the comparison is deserved.

The children of divorce think that divorce sucks hind tits because it sacrifices their happiness for the happiness of others. What are the children deprived of a mother or a father going to think in this situation?

[Ben Kenobi]

He's been inventing imaginary persecutions of Catholics for years

You think the persecution of the Catholic church in England and eventual emancipation is 'imaginary'?

[Ming]

Two, what about children? Don't children have a right to have a father and a mother?

Gee... your great god takes mothers and fathers away from their children all the time.
If it was a right from god, he would never let a parent die. But no, he just let's them die all the time.
So I guess your god doesn't think it's a child's right, so why do you?